5/20 (PIM): Preakness 148: First Mission SCR

[Dahoss]

Is 98 higher or lower than 95?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kasept

And also meanwhile, G1 winner Doppelganger..

You previously selected Doppelganger as some sort of proof that what I was saying was wrong because he won a grade 1. Well….National Treasure just won the Preakness so….

And Doppelgänger is an even better example of what I’m talking about. Look at his numbers with Baffert, then Yakteen and now with Brittany “28% for the year” Russell. He’s run better for Baffert and Russell. Why is that?

This isn’t a slight on Yakteen. He’s a very good horseman. Baffert and Brittany must have better dentists.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You previously selected Doppelganger as some sort of proof that what I was saying was wrong because he won a grade 1. Well….National Treasure just won the Preakness so….

And Doppelgänger is an even better example of what I’m talking about. Look at his numbers with Baffert, then Yakteen and now with Brittany “28% for the year” Russell. He’s run better for Baffert and Russell. Why is that?

This isn’t a slight on Yakteen. He’s a very good horseman. Baffert and Brittany must have better dentists.

You realize Doppelganger is a 4yo now, right? That horses mature, potentially improving as they mature. (Not to mention that middle distance one-turning is likely his best trip).

I know nothing I suggest will convince you that Baffert, and I guess Russell too, aren't taking edges.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You realize Doppelganger is a 4yo now, right? That horses mature, potentially improving as they mature. (Not to mention that middle distance one-turning is likely his best trip).

I know nothing I suggest will convince you that Baffert, and I guess Russell too, aren't taking edges.

Respectfully, you didn’t think Servis was taking an edge either. And I feel like we had this same song and dance as it pertained to him. Before that it was Marty Wolfson. Maybe your friendship with these trainers clouds your judgment a bit.

Yes, I fully understand horses mature. Which is why I found it so odd you didn’t think it was strange that the Baffert horses who had moved to Yakteen were not maturing like Baffert runners normally do.

[freddymo]

Not the same horse, Steve. Rollo dealt with National Disaster. To Baffert's credit, he made an equipment change and likely changed something in his training. Perhaps he read Rollo's post or, as the greatest dirt trainer in history, realized that if NT was going to be anything, he needed to improve. It's hardly impossible Baffert uses an untested supplement etc., that makes horses faster and or uses therapeutic drugs that are more efficacious. Nobody is saying he "Ness'd" the horse.

This is a private forum. Most of us have been here for years and years. It's not Twitter. Nobody will be fired or suspended from their job for pointing out the bad stuff in the sport. Drugs have always been in the sport. Some trainers and vets use them more aggressively than others. When we see it, we should know it.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Respectfully, you didn’t think Servis was taking an edge either. And I feel like we had this same song and dance as it pertained to him. Before that it was Marty Wolfson. Maybe your friendship with these trainers clouds your judgment a bit.

Yes, I fully understand horses mature. Which is why I found it so odd you didn’t think it was strange that the Baffert horses who had moved to Yakteen were not maturing like Baffert runners normally do.

Am I naive in thinking that Baffert to Yakteen is just an administrative thing and Baffert was calling the shots as to how these horses were trained.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

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