Stimulus jobs certainly do exist

[Danzig]

it's funny in a way, the stimulus was supposed to create jobs to get people off the dole, but they also had to fund extra unemployment as well as more food stamps....


stimulus necessary? most likely. pols know the bill has to pass, so they threw in everything including the kitchen sink? absolutely. and now, a jobs bill, since the stimulus hasn't created enough jobs, and didn't attack the right areas. maybe this one will help. if not, how much more of our money are they going to throw around trying to find the right formula?

[Riot]

It buys time, yes - for the economy to get back to some stability (even mentally for people so they will spend) and thus, when the $19 million runs out - the grounds for growth and future expansion remain rather than disappear.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What?

When food producers, and truckers, and food stores, don't have to go out of business because nobody has money to purchase food, but can be supported and remain in business (because all the newly unemployed in their area have food stamps due to the temporary expansion of that program due to the stimulus) the grounds for growth and future economic expansion - those businesses - remain rather than disappear.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This has nothing to do with the discussion

That the stimulus had to include extra funding for both people out of work longer than normal, and an increased number of people out of work - yes, I think it has to do with the characterization of that funding.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

19 billion worth of food stamps is exactly what i said it is. An expansion of a social program and a temporary fix. Your little synopsis of the food chain is cute but food stamps are not going to grow anything. Your assumption that the expansion of the food stamp program will ever recede is simply political niavety.

And your repeated inability to view the stimulus in anything other than your preconceived and ill-supported silly views is cute, too - in a sad sort of way. 19 billion in food stamps is exactly what I said it was. Your assumption that the food stamp program at it's current rate will never decrease is financial naivete.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and now, a jobs bill, since the stimulus hasn't created enough jobs, and didn't attack the right areas. maybe this one will help. if not, how much more of our money are they going to throw around trying to find the right formula?

Doubt there will be any jobs help from this Senate.

Just a week after Senate Republican Jim Bunning's infamous obstruction of an unemployment benefits extension, the GOP is taking another stand that pits deficit reduction against aid to the poor and jobless.

On Tuesday, Senate Republicans -- along with some Democrats -- defeated a measure to provide $1.3 billion for summer jobs for young people this year and a $1.3 billion extension of enhanced subsidies for poor families with children.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), who introduced the amendment along with Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), pleaded with her colleagues not to object.

"I have personally heard the stories of these young men and women whose summer jobs changed their lives across the country," she said. "This amendment will provide $1.3 billion to create up to 500,000 temporary jobs this coming summer. It will invest in critical employment and learning programs that will help not only these young people but the businesses who hire them."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doubt there will be any jobs help from this Senate.

Too embarrassed to post a link?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

And your repeated inability to view the stimulus in anything other than your preconceived and ill-supported silly views is cute, too - in a sad sort of way. 19 billion in food stamps is exactly what I said it was. Your assumption that the food stamp program at it's current rate will never decrease is financial naivete.

And you simply choose to ignore the history of social programs in this country. The president or congress that doesnt renew or expand the funding will be labeled racist or elitest or worse(naturally there is no chance that the dems would do this because they count on the votes of the disenfranchised). You can deny all you want but the fact remains that funding of social programs under the guise of stimulus is disingenous. You refuse to differentiate between growing a sustainable economy or subsidizing one.

The economy was like a patient slipping into a coma. There were three ways to approach it. One was to do nothing and hope that it would wake up and not die. The second was to put it on life support but do nothing else but keep them alive. The third would be to act boldly and try to 'stimulate' them by using measures that may rouse the patient from the coma.

You choose option 2 yet for some reason you think you have chosen numer 3.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you simply choose to ignore the history of social programs in this country. The president or congress that doesnt renew or expand the funding will be labeled racist or elitest or worse(naturally there is no chance that the dems would do this because they count on the votes of the disenfranchised). You can deny all you want but the fact remains that funding of social programs under the guise of stimulus is disingenous. You refuse to differentiate between growing a sustainable economy or subsidizing one.

The economy was like a patient slipping into a coma. There were three ways to approach it. One was to do nothing and hope that it would wake up and not die. The second was to put it on life support but do nothing else but keep them alive. The third would be to act boldly and try to 'stimulate' them by using measures that may rouse the patient from the coma.

You choose option 2 yet for some reason you think you have chosen numer 3.

For some reason this seems like the story of Riots life in the DT Pol section.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Too embarrassed to post a link?

That's a personal opinion.

Not all of us need to be told what to think by WSJ Op Ed guys

[Riot]

And you simply choose to ignore the history of social programs in this country.

No. Not ignoring that at all. What in the world would make you think I am?

Seriously - you really need to stop telling me what I think. Rather arrogant of you. And you really suck at it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a personal opinion.

Not all of us need to be told what to think by WSJ Op Ed guys

That was your personal opinion? LOL. Like I said too embarrassed to post a link.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That was your personal opinion? LOL. Like I said too embarrassed to post a link.

You don't believe that I doubt there will be much help from this Senate on jobs?

Have you not been watching the voting by the GOP for the past year? And yesterday? And the way the Democrats fold when someone looks at them crosseyed?

And you want a link to how I formed that opinion?



ROFLMAO.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. Not ignoring that at all. What in the world would make you think I am?

Seriously - you really need to stop telling me what I think. Rather arrogant of you. And you really suck at it.

I said the reasoning why it wont happen. Because the Republican that doesnt continue the funding at a level close to the current level will be attacked by the left as anti-everything. As I said there has never been a social program like food stamps rolled back by a Dem. Wont happen. Has it ever?

You need to get over what ever personal issue that you have which makes you get defensive about, well, everything.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You need to get over what ever personal issue that you have which makes you get defensive about, well, everything.

You are looking in the mirror, pal. Good luck with that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You don't believe that I doubt there will be much help from this Senate on jobs?

Have you not been watching the voting by the GOP for the past year? And yesterday? And the way the Democrats fold when someone looks at them crosseyed?

And you want a link to how I formed that opinion?



ROFLMAO.

Let me get this straight this was your personal opinion not lifted from another source? Why was it boxed in a different color?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are looking in the mirror, pal. Good luck with that.

Your ineptitude doesnt bother me in the least. If you choose to call me names or insinuate that anyone who isnt on your side of an issue is an idiot or dense or is a Fox news or WSJ sheep, well that seems to be more of a reflection of the source.

Whenever you are flumoxed about an issue and can't google your way off the topic you interpret every post as a personal attack.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Let me get this straight this was your personal opinion not lifted from another source? Why was it boxed in a different color?

My personal opinion is obviously what I wrote.

Let me get this straight - you want a source for the public government activity that was reported in the press and news yesterday, a public Senate vote on a bill, including quotes from the floor?

You don't know how to use the interwebs and google to find the daily news?

Do you think it's not true, that the GOP and some Dems voted against funding a summer jobs bill?

And you are unable to verify that?

You do realize that what I quoted was talking about Sen. Patty Murrays Youth Jobs Act, and not the "senate jobs bill" that is also in the news?

Here's a few for you that published that blurb:

http://politifi.com/news/Michigans-S...on-265419.html

http://upge.wn.com/?template=cheetah...language_id=-1

http://community.livejournal.com/ont...l/5587204.html

http://ninesheets.com/2010/03/09/sen...with-children/

http://democrats.senate.gov/journal/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your ineptitude doesnt bother me in the least. If you choose to call me names or insinuate that anyone who isnt on your side of an issue is an idiot or dense or is a Fox news or WSJ sheep, well that seems to be more of a reflection of the source.

Whenever you are flumoxed about an issue and can't google your way off the topic you interpret every post as a personal attack.

I hope your life in your imaginarium is better than your reality.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

My personal opinion is obviously what I wrote.

Let me get this straight - you want a source for the public government activity that was reported in the press and news yesterday, a public Senate vote on a bill, including quotes from the floor?

You don't know how to use the interwebs and google to find the daily news?

Do you think it's not true, that the GOP and some Dems voted against funding a summer jobs bill?

And you are unable to verify that?

You do realize that what I quoted was talking about Sen. Patty Murrays Youth Jobs Act, and not the "senate jobs bill" that is also in the news?

Here's a few for you that published that blurb:

http://politifi.com/news/Michigans-S...on-265419.html

http://upge.wn.com/?template=cheetah...language_id=-1

http://community.livejournal.com/ont...l/5587204.html

http://ninesheets.com/2010/03/09/sen...with-children/

http://democrats.senate.gov/journal/

It is common courtesy that when you post someone elses work you post a link to the source. You repeatedly said that post 105, that was your personal opinion when it was an unlinked copy of something found elsewhere.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I hope your life in your imaginarium is better than your reality.

Thanks for the kind words