Beyer pens post script after sit-down with Wolfson

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Po-lease.

The last time I swung a baseball bat, I was hitting a baseball a few feet above the ground, and it was moving. The last time I swung a golf club, the ball was on the ground, and it was still. The only aches and pains I've had with golf is not being able to get-and-down everytime I find a trap.

Tiger's swing featured a locking motion on his left knee, which deteriorated over time and ultimately led to it basically crumbling. Implying that Tiger Woods took steroids is absolutely ridiculous, and there is simply no basis.

The PGA Tour drug tests too. Their version of "cheating" was implied when certain players clubs were believed to be playing with "super clubs" and so they began testing. Tiger's caddie was one of the first guys to bring in the clubs for testing.

It's a shame our society is so jaded that when someone comes along, someone who is smart, devoted and good at what they do, we immediately cry fowl.



Okay, sorry to bring this thread farther off topic.

I can tell by the way you call races that you're on something...Nobody does that "clean"..

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the ROI % changed by 6% , and it could easily have fallen if you take out the 1 bomb he put over at toga last summer (i think it was)

His win % in the time you cover dropped a whopping 35%

Redboard alert....it was Be Smart and I had her!

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I can tell by the way you call races that you're on something...Nobody does that "clean"..

I take lots of drugs:

* Steroids to make it up the two flights of stairs from the fourth to the sixth floor (LAD doesn't have an elevator all the way to the top)

* I take an eye enhancer to help glow the colors the jockey silks during the race.

* I also take a drug which enables my voice to sound a few notches deeper. Otherwise, I sound like the guy on the Seinfeld episode who sounds like a girl (the high talker).

* I take an anti-fatigue drug to help deter heavy breathing from getting up out of my desk chair, and going to the stand, between every race.

There's nothing in society today that anyone can do well while being "clean" ... it's simply impossible!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

1 more for u drugs

how bout runnig Dutrow's %'s for this GP meet run the win % and roi

then run a second set of numbers and and take out this one's for phil from the numbers

Dutrow's lifetime record at Gulfstream Park prior to this yeas meet:

65-for-276 ($1.57 ROI)

Dutrow's record at GP this year:

7-for-36 ($1.71 ROI)


Yes, by taking away a 12/1 shot winner he trained as if it never happened .. you could push him below his avg mark. Who in the hell cares about an ROI when the sample size is just 36 races??? This is almost getting as dumb as bringing DWL's name into a thread about magical trainers.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Redboard alert....it was Be Smart and I had her!

I need a valium.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Dutrow's lifetime record at Gulfstream Park prior to this yeas meet:

65-for-276 ($1.57 ROI)

Dutrow's record at GP this year:

7-for-36 ($1.71 ROI)


Yes, by taking away a 12/1 shot winner he trained as if it never happened .. you could push him below his avg mark. Who in the hell cares about an ROI when the sample size is just 36 races??? This is almost getting as dumb as bringing DWL's name into a thread about magical trainers.

so why the big stink by beyer about dutrow in the origal drf piece and then no follow up on him only on wolfson - can't andy explain that dutrow is having a meet that matches his lifetime record at GP as a follow up piece?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I need a valium.

kissy

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

so why the big stink by beyer about dutrow in the origal drf piece

For starters ... the guy has won 3 different Breeders Cup races in the last 4 years with horses he moved way up.

Here's Silver Train: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/silvertrain.pdf (7th beaten 13+ lengths in an N1X allowance in his final start before going to Dutrow. Less than 8 months later he wins the Breeders Cup Sprint.)

Here's Saint Liam: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/saintliam.pdf (6th by 7.75 lengths in an N2X alw in his final start pre Dutrow. He magically transforms into the 2005 Horse of the Year after a Breeders Cup Classic win as the favorite.

Here's Kip Deville: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/kipdeville.pdf (In his first start for Dutrow Jr. - he opens up a 15 length lead in a 14 horse field - getting his first six furlongs in an insane 1:08 3/5 going 9.5 furlongs! He stays on for 2nd at 28/1 odds. Future Breeders Cup Mile winner. 2nd in the '08 Mile as well)

Oh yeah, I'm going to assume Beyer made a big stink about Dutrow in the "origal" piece because a toad named This One's For Phil ran unexplainably fast in his first start for Dutrow.

I know he's employed and all now ... but can someone please page BTW and tell him to come by again and mock me for answering all your questions.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by gales0678

rick pitino

Coaching career (HC unless noted)
1974–1976
1976 Hawaiʻi
Syracuse (asst.)
Boston University
New York Knicks (asst.)
Providence
New York Knicks
Kentucky
Boston Celtics
Louisville

1976–1978
1978–1983
1983–1985
1985–1987
1987–1989
1989–1997
1997–2001
2001–present Hawaiʻi (asst.)
Hawaiʻi
Syracuse (asst.)
Boston University
New York Knicks (asst.)
Providence
New York Knicks
Kentucky
Boston Celtics
Louisville

That's fine, it's still a downright miserable analogy to the subject at hand.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For starters ... the guy has won 3 different Breeders Cup races in the last 4 years with horses he moved way up.

Here's Silver Train: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/silvertrain.pdf (7th beaten 13+ lengths in an N1X allowance in his final start before going to Dutrow. Less than 8 months later he wins the Breeders Cup Sprint.)

Here's Saint Liam: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/saintliam.pdf (6th by 7.75 lengths in an N2X alw in his final start pre Dutrow. He magically transforms into the 2005 Horse of the Year after a Breeders Cup Classic win as the favorite.

Here's Kip Deville: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/kipdeville.pdf (In his first start for Dutrow Jr. - he opens up a 15 length lead in a 14 horse field - getting his first six furlongs in an insane 1:08 3/5 going 9.5 furlongs! He stays on for 2nd at 28/1 odds. Future Breeders Cup Mile winner. 2nd in the '08 Mile as well)

Oh yeah, I'm going to assume Beyer made a big stink about Dutrow in the "origal" piece because a toad named This One's For Phil ran unexplainably fast in his first start for Dutrow.

I know he's employed and all now ... but can someone please page BTW and tell him to come by again and mock me for answering all your questions.

take a look at this years GP races show me out of the 36 races where there are multiple abnormal results

[gales0678]

How bout the other trainers at GP who have a higher % than dutrow this meet?


Angel Penna is 36% , what is his all time % at Gp , shouldn't there be an article about him as well?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

How bout the other trainers at GP who have a higher % than dutrow this meet?


Angel Penna is 36% , what is his all time % at Gp , shouldn't there be an article about him as well?

what is your point Marty?

Do you think Dutrow is clean and all his move ups are easily explained?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what is your point Marty?

Do you think Dutrow is clean and all his move ups are easily explained?

i don't know if he is clean or not , i don't know if any trainers are clean or not


but why no mention of how he is having a meet that is by no means any different than he has had in the past?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Po-lease.

The last time I swung a baseball bat, I was hitting a baseball a few feet above the ground, and it was moving. The last time I swung a golf club, the ball was on the ground, and it was still. The only aches and pains I've had with golf is not being able to get-and-down everytime I find a trap.

Tiger's swing featured a locking motion on his left knee, which deteriorated over time and ultimately led to it basically crumbling. Implying that Tiger Woods took steroids is absolutely ridiculous, and there is simply no basis.

The PGA Tour drug tests too. Their version of "cheating" was implied when certain players clubs were believed to be playing with "super clubs" and so they began testing. Tiger's caddie was one of the first guys to bring in the clubs for testing.

It's a shame our society is so jaded that when someone comes along, someone who is smart, devoted and good at what they do, we immediately cry fowl.

Okay, sorry to bring this thread farther off topic.

Are the PGA testing Travis? I don't remember them going towards testing. I do remember Tiger in 2005 coming out and saying he was pro drug testing if the PGA was to adopt it.

What we do know is Gary Player was chastised by some for suggesting he knew that atleast 10% of players were using steroids, I really don't know why it would be such a big surprise if golf had similar problems to other sports, I am just being realistic, that it is somewhat unrealistic(no intention to rhyme here) that only one sport would remain prestine when most others have already been tainted.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I take lots of drugs:

* Steroids to make it up the two flights of stairs from the fourth to the sixth floor (LAD doesn't have an elevator all the way to the top)

* I take an eye enhancer to help glow the colors the jockey silks during the race.

* I also take a drug which enables my voice to sound a few notches deeper. Otherwise, I sound like the guy on the Seinfeld episode who sounds like a girl (the high talker).

* I take an anti-fatigue drug to help deter heavy breathing from getting up out of my desk chair, and going to the stand, between every race.

There's nothing in society today that anyone can do well while being "clean" ... it's simply impossible!

As long as you arent a 'close' talker

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

No... it's not actually. Wolfson uses that example, as he did when responsing to Beyer on ATR, in awe and appreciation of Mr. Jerkens whom he holds in the highest regard. His point is that years ago when a horse shocked a race or raised their performance level to new plateaus, there wasn't the disdain and suspicion we have now.

However the race in question isnt nearly like what has gone on now. Onion was a pretty good horse (set a track record for 6 1/2 furlongs 11 days before when horses used to race alot) who got an uncontested lead and held off Secretariat in the stretch. The story was that Secretariat was not right and was vulnerable not that Onion had freaked out. HAJ told me he wasnt even going to run in the Whitney until he saw Secretariat work poorly that week. (Poorly for him was 1/2 in 48 and change) Big difference.

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I take lots of drugs:

* Steroids to make it up the two flights of stairs from the fourth to the sixth floor (LAD doesn't have an elevator all the way to the top)

* I take an eye enhancer to help glow the colors the jockey silks during the race.

* I also take a drug which enables my voice to sound a few notches deeper. Otherwise, I sound like the guy on the Seinfeld episode who sounds like a girl (the high talker).

* I take an anti-fatigue drug to help deter heavy breathing from getting up out of my desk chair, and going to the stand, between every race.

There's nothing in society today that anyone can do well while being "clean" ... it's simply impossible!

I always knew you were a juicer. No one can call races like that on crawfish and water alone.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Are the PGA testing Travis? I don't remember them going towards testing. I do remember Tiger in 2005 coming out and saying he was pro drug testing if the PGA was to adopt it.

What we do know is Gary Player was chastised by some for suggesting he knew that atleast 10% of players were using steroids, I really don't know why it would be such a big surprise if golf had similar problems to other sports, I am just being realistic, that it is somewhat unrealistic(no intention to rhyme here) that only one sport would remain prestine when most others have already been tainted.

There is less than zero chance that the PGA would call a positive test on Woods regardless of what they found in his tests. I mean does anyone really think they wouldnt squash a bad test for Tiger?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is less than zero chance that the PGA would call a positive test on Woods regardless of what they found in his tests. I mean does anyone really think they wouldnt squash a bad test for Tiger?

they would do that Chuck , but ,it would leak out by someone if he ever tested positive and he would retire "to spend time with the family"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

they would do that Chuck , but ,it would leak out by someone if he ever tested positive and he would retire "to spend time with the family"

No chance. It would be squashed and the person who leaked it would get sued and eventually take a package and go away.