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Danzig · #81 01-05-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Typical of the industry.....an expert testifies that the system is inadequate, something we all know, and he's attacked by a high ranking figure in racing security.

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

kill the messenger

miraja2 · #82 01-05-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.

I really have no desire to go over that whole debate again, but in fairness to those involved, I think it should be pointed out that people were not, as you seem to indicate, calling the individual you mentioned "a racist." People were labeling a picture that individual posted as "racist."
There is a significant difference there.

otisotisotis · #83 01-05-2008, 10:59 PM

after all of this, i still can't figure how the bettor gets screwed?
either you are picking winners or not. maybe you lose a tick on the odds, but i could sit there all day and bet horses after they break and still not have a clue.
does it matter if someone wants to drop $5g's when a horse is 4-1 or 3-1?
i don't know, i would just like to see where it actually hurts the majority (or rather the winning minority)?

blackthroatedwind · #84 01-05-2008, 11:01 PM

Oh boy.

otisotisotis · #85 01-05-2008, 11:07 PM

i'm not being facetious, really. just would like someone to explain it in simple kindergarten terms for me.
thanks

ArlJim78 · #86 01-05-2008, 11:08 PM

i know its early in the year, but we may have already seen the post of the year for 2008.

blackthroatedwind · #87 01-05-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by otisotisotis

i'm not being facetious, really. just would like someone to explain it in simple kindergarten terms for me.
thanks

It's a little like having to explain why you get wet if you go out in the rain. Honestly, you have to figure some things out for yourself. Sort of like the ADW struggle that went on earlier this year, and was talked about endlessly on this site, and every Horse Racing message board, which made it clear why Youbet wasn't going to be carrying Gulfstream ( as well as what happened subsequently that enabled them to carry Santa Anita ). Sometimes you have to read the threads to get the info and not expect things to be explained when you randomly don't understand something.

#88 01-05-2008, 11:19 PM

I haven't had a drop of liquor in two years but tonight that's coming to an end. I just can't take this anymore.

otisotisotis · #89 01-05-2008, 11:27 PM

have your fun. but i do understand.
i was just trying to make the point that when it does happen, it's a minority of people(winners) that are affected.

blackthroatedwind · #90 01-05-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by otisotisotis

have your fun. but i do understand.
i was just trying to make the point that when it does happen, it's a minority of people(winners) that are affected.

That's a terrible attitude in general.

miraja2 · #91 01-06-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by otisotisotis

after all of this, i still can't figure how the bettor gets screwed?
either you are picking winners or not. maybe you lose a tick on the odds, but i could sit there all day and bet horses after they break and still not have a clue.
does it matter if someone wants to drop $5g's when a horse is 4-1 or 3-1?
i don't know, i would just like to see where it actually hurts the majority (or rather the winning minority)?

Oh, well in that case, I guess it isn't a problem at all.
End of thread.

Cannon Shell · #92 01-06-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I really have no desire to go over that whole debate again, but in fairness to those involved, I think it should be pointed out that people were not, as you seem to indicate, calling the individual you mentioned "a racist." People were labeling a picture that individual posted as "racist."
There is a significant difference there.

True but that was a fairly hostile exchange which was what I was referring to. BTW that Indian horse has really taken America by storm. LOL

packerbacker7964 · #93 01-06-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

How many times have you tried to bet past post time?

fpsoxfan · #94 01-06-2008, 09:03 AM

Just called in on Trackfacts live and asked the question as to how to remedy this situation. One suggestion Tom Amello had was to refund the race. Sounds good, but is it realistic? How long after this happens do the stewards realize this "glitch" occured? Is it well after the race has been paid?

blackthroatedwind · #95 01-06-2008, 10:39 AM

That doesn't sound like one of Tom's more well thought out answers.

golfer · #96 01-06-2008, 10:43 AM

It's time to take a stand. I will not be betting today in protest!!

(this has nothing to do with getting my ass handed to me in yesterday's wagering)

Who else is with me?

(imagine the sound of crickets chirping)

fpsoxfan · #97 01-06-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That doesn't sound like one of Tom's more well thought out answers.

You know how us teachers can be.

He did kind of just throw it out there. Seth Morrow was on as a guest and they had no callers on the line, so I thought I'd a throw them a bone to chew on. Nobody (Nick, Tom or Seth) came up with a real good remedy other than shutting down betting a few minutes before post. They did however thank the caller for an excellent question.

blackthroatedwind · #98 01-06-2008, 10:49 AM

The answer is very simple....spend the necessary dollars to update the system. That's the answer. It's up to the racetracks to give this the serious attention it needs.

Not to defend NYRA per se, but at least they said the right things the other day and were up front about it. However, if they don't change the system then it's just more lip service.

golfer · #99 01-06-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The answer is very simple....spend the necessary dollars to update the system. That's the answer. It's up to the racetracks to give this the serious attention it needs.

Not to defend NYRA per se, but at least they said the right things the other day and were up front about it. However, if they don't change the system then it's just more lip service.

When Steve had John Lee on the show the other day, he repeated the information about only $80 or so dollars being bet on track after the race started. He perhaps conveniently left out the rest of the story, that they had no idea how much if any money came in outside of Aqueduct itself.
Which, when you think about it, doesn't make much sense (this information certainly could have been obtained).

blackthroatedwind · #**100** 01-06-2008, 11:18 AM

I don't think John is a duplicitous guy and probably was simply giving the only information they had for sure.

It may or may not be " easy " to find out what betting from off-track was after the bell. The final money that comes in is probably batched so knowing at exactly what moment it was actually bet might be problematic. This would be yet another reason they have to insure that no money can come in after the bell.