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randallscott35 · #61 06-22-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

People can never get enough Pizza

Not for you Vic. I want you calling those races well into your 80's.

#62 06-22-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Not for you Vic. I want you calling those races well into your 80's.

So does my wife.

randallscott35 · #63 06-22-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

So does my wife.

2nd or 3rd marriage?

#64 06-22-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

2nd or 3rd marriage?

1st and only. Thanks for asking.

Duvalier · #65 06-22-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

How about the most overrated horses of the last 11 years?

Uncle Mo

randallscott35 · #66 06-22-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

1st and only. Thanks for asking.

Proud of you.

Calzone Lord · #67 06-22-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

Uncle Mo

Hard to call him overrated - more like just another cripple...errrr internally unfirm horse.

Duvalier · #68 06-22-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Hard to call him overrated - more like just another cripple...errrr internally unfirm horse.

I don't know...he never really beat anything other than a few bad or crippled up horses. Have any of the horses he beat as a juvenile done anything since, other than win a stakes race at Charles Town last week? I doubt he could've beaten Kantharos if that horse stayed sound.

blackthroatedwind · #69 06-22-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

I don't know...he never really beat anything other than a few bad or crippled up horses. Have any of the horses he beat as a juvenile done anything since, other than win a stakes race at Charles Town last week? I doubt he could've beaten Kantharos if that horse stayed sound.

He would have lapped Kantharos.

I love all the people that didn't understand how massively talented Uncle Mo was last year thinking somehow they were right to underrate him because he got sick.

The Uncle Mo of last year would have crushed this year's 3YO crop.

Duvalier · #70 06-22-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He would have lapped Kantharos.

I love all the people that didn't understand how massively talented Uncle Mo was last year thinking somehow they were right to underrate him because he got sick.

The Uncle Mo of last year would have crushed this year's 3YO crop.

Hypothetically speaking of course

Duvalier · #71 06-22-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He would have lapped Kantharos.

I love all the people that didn't understand how massively talented Uncle Mo was last year thinking somehow they were right to underrate him because he got sick.

The Uncle Mo of last year would have crushed this year's 3YO crop.

Look BTW everyone knows and respects your handicapping prowess and the work you do...but what makes you think he'd lap Kantharos?

blackthroatedwind · #72 06-22-2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

Look BTW everyone knows and respects your handicapping prowess and the work you do...but what makes you think he'd lap Kantharos?

Because Kantharos was slow and Uncle Mo was fast. It does get much simpler than that.

GPK · #73 06-22-2011, 08:24 PM

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Look BTW everyone knows and respects your handicapping prowess and the work you do...but what makes you think he'd lap Kantharos?

Not everyone...

Duvalier · #74 06-22-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Because Kantharos was slow and Uncle Mo was fast. It does get much simpler than that.

So there was no chance of Kantharos getting better with the added maturity? He was done racing before Uncle Mo ever went to the post...2yos do improve rapidly with physical development as the year goes on sometimes no? But seriously what do you think Uncle Mo beat as a 2 YO?

NTamm1215 · #75 06-22-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

So there was no chance of Kantharos getting better with the added maturity? He was done racing before Uncle Mo ever went to the post...2yos do improve rapidly with physical development as the year goes on sometimes no? But seriously what do you think Uncle Mo beat as a 2 YO?

Boys at Tosconova was a very solid 2YO and Uncle Mo toyed with him. In any other year he would have been considered a juvenile sensation and early Kentucky Derby favorite.

Uncle Mo was an exceptional 2YO.

blackthroatedwind · #76 06-22-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

So there was no chance of Kantharos getting better with the added maturity? He was done racing before Uncle Mo ever went to the post...2yos do improve rapidly with physical development as the year goes on sometimes no? But seriously what do you think Uncle Mo beat as a 2 YO?

Now you are hanging on to there being some possibility that Kantharos would have improved over 10 lengths in a couple of months despite running three straight relatively consistent races. Yes, anything is possible, but based on actual performances, and Kantharos ran as many times as Uncle Mo, it would not have been close.

Calzone Lord · #77 06-22-2011, 08:42 PM

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2yos do improve rapidly with physical development as the year goes on sometimes no?

Doubtful Kantharos would have been one of them. He had the outright best unblinkered 1/4 mile time at OBS March. Those rocketships from the 2yo sales are typically the kind you want to bet early and forget about after a race or two.

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But seriously what do you think Uncle Mo beat as a 2 YO?

Everything he faced - and always very strong against the clock. He's also very tactical for an early speed horse. Boys at Toconvoa, in defeat. ran well enough to win more than a few prior editions of the BC Juvenile - and he was dusted - everything else was totally drowned.

Calzone Lord · #78 06-22-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

So there was no chance of Kantharos getting better with the added maturity?

Though - I guess you can say the fellow OBS March 2 furlong freak Aikenite from a year earlier - developed.

Duvalier · #79 06-22-2011, 08:50 PM

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Now you are hanging on to there being some possibility that Kantharos would have improved over 10 lengths in a couple of months despite running three straight relatively consistent races. Yes, anything is possible, but based on actual performances, and Kantharos ran as many times as Uncle Mo, it would not have been close.

Ran as many times yeah...but it was much earlier in his 2YO year plus he was a later foal than Uncle Mo. Obviously it is all hypothetical now but with the added time to mature there's no reason to believe he couldn't improve.

blackthroatedwind · #80 06-22-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

Ran as many times yeah...but it was much earlier in his 2YO year plus he was a later foal than Uncle Mo. Obviously it is all hypothetical now but with the added time to mature there's no reason to believe he couldn't improve.

His last race was about a week before Uncle Mo debuted.

You are grasping at straws.