Life at Ten - Page 4

Princess Doreen · #61 11-05-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Very early on one of the commentators suggested that.

Pletcher is not to blame for anything.

He thought she was "quiet" and "almost sedated looking" while being saddled. Big deal. Are trainers supposed to order horses scratched because of how they have behave in the saddling area?

ESPN showed a picture of her being saddled - and both Johnny V and a handler were both petting her and playfully smacking her shoulder to try and wake her up.

The first problem was when she got on the racetrack and first tried to refuse to warm up - than stumbled a few times in her warm up.

The second problem was when Johnny V. is telling the ESPN guys she's not warming up well at all.

The third problem was five minutes later - when the camera came back to Life At Ten and Bailey asked Johnny V. if she's doing any better and Johnny V. tells ESPN "No. Not really." Bailey asks what's wrong - and all Johnny V. says is "I'm not sure"

With all of those warning signals, JV should have made the decision to dismount. Did he really think he was going to win or hit the board with a horse that was growing worse as the seconds ticked by?

This is mind boggling. I wonder what kind of inquiries are being made about this.

I would have thought a whole lot better would come from both TAP and JV when presented with a situation like this.

Arletta · #62 11-05-2010, 10:33 PM

She was treated very unfair and that is what pisses me off. Pletcher should know his own damn horse and if she is acting out of sorts or not..If they were that concerned about it (and both appeared to be) then there should have never been any other decision than to scratch her. They are lucky she did'nt have a heart attack running in that race.

Plus, how in the hell would lights cause a horse to be subdued and gimpy like she was? That to me is a total crock of crap.

The Indomitable DrugS · #63 11-05-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta

She was treated very unfair and that is what pisses me off. Pletcher should know his own damn horse and if she is acting out of sorts or not..If they were that concerned about it (and both appeared to be) then there should have never been any other decision than to scratch her.

You're talking about a trainer scratching a horse while 3/1 in a $2 million race beacuse she's quiet in the saddling area?

Pletcher leaves the discussion once Life At Ten hits the track. He doesn't even watch the warm-up or post parade - after he saddles the horse he goes to some room to watch the race.

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Originally Posted by Arletta

They are lucky she did'nt have a heart attack running in that race.

Life At Ten is classy speed horse - she ran her opening quarter mile in 28.84 seconds - I haven't made my pace figures yet ... but she didn't run fast enough to have a heart attack.

The slowest horse on the backside of Penn National would have been in front of her.

MaTH716 · #64 11-05-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

I was 5 feet from this mare in the paddock at SAR before the Personal Ensign and she was NUTSO. She's a very hot type, always tugging the handlers, usually led by 2 people. Today she looked like my friends old chestnut lesson horse out there, inspite of the crowds, the noise the lights etc. He placid demeanor was obviously a sign to Pletcher and she ran like a sick horse.

As for the betting, any 'capper had to factor her in, whether as a win candidate or a pace factor.

Are KY rules the same as NY for multi race bets? Do you get the post time favorite in the event of a scratch? If so you wouldn't have gained anything because Blind Luck was (IMO)hurt by the non effort by LAT. The "real" LAT would have assured a far faster pace, making Blind Luck's chances better.

Yeah I guess the pace would have been a bit faster, but from what I remember, with exception of the Stall's horse in the first no one really came from out of the clouds all day. I don't think you wanted to be on the lead or on the rail either, but somewhere near that front pack in the middle of he track.

Rileyoriley · #65 11-05-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're talking about a trainer scratching a horse while 3/1 in a $2 million race beacuse she's quiet in the saddling area?

Pletcher leaves the discussion once Life At Ten hits the track. He doesn't even watch the warm-up or post parade - after he saddles the horse he goes to some room to watch the race.

Life At Ten is classy speed horse - she ran her opening quarter mile in 28.84 seconds - I haven't made my pace figures yet ... but she didn't run fast enough to have a heart attack.

The slowest horse on the backside of Penn National would have been in front of her.

I have to disagree with you. A GOOD trainer would be concerned if his horse wasn't acting normally and WOULD watch her warm up in the post parade.

The Indomitable DrugS · #66 11-05-2010, 10:48 PM

Unrivalled Belle was not losing that race to anyone - she rated off of the pace ... so had the real version of Life At Ten showed up .. it wouldn't have helped Blind Luck any.

Unrivalled Belle simply ran back to that rapid win she had in her only other career start over the track when she edged out Rachel Alexandra.

The Indomitable DrugS · #67 11-05-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

I have to disagree with you. A GOOD trainer would be concerned if his horse wasn't acting normally and WOULD watch her warm up in the post parade.

So, Pletcher isn't a "GOOD" trainer?

What's he going to do - sprint onto the racetrack and use his body as a human shield to prevent his horse from being able to load into stall #1??

If the blame is on anyone - it's on the jockey and or vet.

Rileyoriley · #68 11-05-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

So, Pletcher isn't a "GOOD" trainer?

What's he going to do - sprint onto the racetrack and use his body as a human shield to prevent his horse from being able to load into stall #1??

If the blame is on anyone - it's on the jockey and or vet.

A GOOD trainer would have given explicit instructions to his jockey that if the horse did not warm up well or didn't seem right to bring it to the vet's attention. This is not the first time this jockey has been on her. He knows how she warms up and he was obviously concerned about her.

#69 11-05-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Unrivalled Belle was not losing that race to anyone - she rated off of the pace ... so had the real version of Life At Ten showed up .. it wouldn't have helped Blind Luck any.

Unrivalled Belle simply ran back to that rapid win she had in her only other career start over the track when she edged out Rachel Alexandra.

I agree

Indian Charlie · #70 11-05-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I agree

She showed the speed of Ruffian.

#71 11-05-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

She showed the speed of Ruffian.

I agree

Indian Charlie · #72 11-05-2010, 11:04 PM

Sharp post.

#73 11-05-2010, 11:05 PM

Is Tyler off the wagon again?

Arletta · #74 11-05-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're talking about a trainer scratching a horse while 3/1 in a $2 million race beacuse she's quiet in the saddling area?

Pletcher leaves the discussion once Life At Ten hits the track. He doesn't even watch the warm-up or post parade - after he saddles the horse he goes to some room to watch the race.

He was not in a room.. He was standing right there at the rail. They were even questioning him about it while they were heading to the gate and he said she didn't seem like "normal".

As far as running slow/fast that was'nt my point. My point was that because of her being in such distress, could have caused her to have a heart attack being asked to go run her a$$ off.

It was all in poor judgment on all parties and I just hope there are no lasting effects from her being made to run tonight.

dagolfer33 · #75 11-05-2010, 11:14 PM

I have a serious question for Vic. Why do you think A. Quinonez didnt get to retain any of the mounts he could have carried into the BC? His name shows up in the PPs as the last rider for a number of horses, and I think he has done some great riding this year.

FGFan · #76 11-05-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta

He was not in a room.. He was standing right there at the rail. They were even questioning him about it while they were heading to the gate and he said she didn't seem like "normal".

As far as running slow/fast that was'nt my point. My point was that because of her being in such distress, could have caused her to have a heart attack being asked to go run her a$$ off.

It was all in poor judgment on all parties and I just hope there are no lasting effects from her being made to run tonight.

All that was the post race interview not prior to the race.

The Indomitable DrugS · #77 11-05-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta

He was not in a room.. He was standing right there at the rail. They were even questioning him about it while they were heading to the gate and he said she didn't seem like "normal".

If you watched the telecast - he came out of his room and back to the rail to get a look at Life At Ten because he was concerned with how she was warming up on tv - that's what Jay Privman said when he ran him down to interview him.

Again - what's he supposed to do - run onto the track and demand they scratch the horse? It's not in his hands at that point.

Arletta · #78 11-05-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FGFan

All that was the post race interview not prior to the race.

I saw them interviewing him right there at the rail PRIOR to the race while the horse went in front of him.

FGFan · #79 11-05-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta

I saw them interviewing him right there at the rail PRIOR to the race while the horse went in front of him.

After the race.

#80 11-05-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I have a serious question for Vic. Why do you think A. Quinonez didnt get to retain any of the mounts he could have carried into the BC? His name shows up in the PPs as the last rider for a number of horses, and I think he has done some great riding this year.

Sadler was not overly happy with his ride on Tell a Kelly in the Oak Leaf. Bigger reason though was he wanted a rider who's more familiar with Churchill Downs.

As for Switch. Sadler thinks Rosario is better than Quinonez and gave him the best possible chance. John is very refreshing in that way. He's very frank and honest about that kind of stuff. He pulls no punches. If an agent can't deal with that he can't ride for Sadler.

I know Alonso was disapointed when Richard's Kid skipped the classic to point for Dubai. Not a big shock there he's Arab owned.

Were there others?