Bobby Jindal's response

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, this whole 30 days has exposed the entire scam. this economy fallout has been coming for years, i think we really only delayed the inevitable a year or so. i'm not sure what everyone was expecting, but things are really a mess right now. anyone complaining about what's been done, or not done, so far is being completely unrealistic imo. back when most of the campaigning was going on, things were not as bad as they are now. things have really spiralled down badly. does anyone giving obama grief for how things have been in his first month (month!) really think anyone could have done things better? it's been a month. it's taken far longer than that to get to this point, how would it take so short a time to fix it??

i don't think anyone voted for obama for change as in we're not going to act like govt has for over two hundred years. they changed parties.

no one blames Obama for the mess but his first 30 days have produced the largest govt spending bill in history that was written for the most part by the people who were supposed to be reined in by "change". Then this week he has a grand plan for cutting the deficit. Someone tell him that he can stop campaigning now and start to deal with the issues now that he has paid off all the special interest groups that helped him get elected. Like no President has done that you say? Well What about rising above politics as usual like he said he would? In 30 days he has turned into the largest spending, liberal pleasing typical politician of all time. What can he do for an encore the next 30? ban the opposition party? (oops the Fairness Doctrine wants to start that process) Cap everyones wages? See if he can make corporate taxes the highest in the world? Not far to go on that. Continue the class war where the successful are disparaged and the lazy are "entitled"?

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

well this is all Barack Obama's fault just like some believed that 9/11 was Bush's fault.

What exactly is all Barak Obama's fault?

And please find the people that think 9/11 was Bush's
fault. He had only recently become president. Find who
wrote or thought Bush had something to do with 9/11
and you will have identified certified lunatics.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.politico.com/politico44/

Here is more bad news for small business owners and successful people. You get to pay the bill for everyones healthcare. Of course you probably already have adequate coverage despite paying through the nose for it. Now you can get inferior coverage and pay even more for it! What a country.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19306.html

This is total bs. i especially like this

But Reid defended the spending, saying that the "government is the only body that has any money" to spend to prop up the sagging economy.

that refrain is getting old already. Spent 780 billion last week, 418 billion this week, plans to spend 634 billion on healthcare.....

30 days.....
closing in on 2 trillion


This is like my wife getting trillion dollar Amex and hitting the mall....spend spend spend till it doesnt work anymore. She then calls the card "broken". The country is going to be broken for sure with these out of touch people like Reid in charge.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Such carrying on. You were in for 8 years. You gave tax breaks to the rich, and started an expensive war that has virtually no payoff for the average American(talk about waste.) Tax breaks for the rich didn't work. You want to have more of them. It won't work. You've got no answers to clean up what you created. Your boy wanted to have people spend their social security on stocks(o.k., that's was an exhibition of stupidity.) We are gunna start regulating the areas of the economy that Chuck's "successful people" looted. Any modern day Democratic Presidential Candidate that can win the state of fkn Indiana is smarter than you. He's smarter than me. He's smarter than any of us. So, keep thinking you know better than somebody this smart, but you don't.

Chuck, people don't particularly care about playing cheap thoroughbred horses(not when they can play better horses .) If ya put them on a card with good horses, then people will tolerate it, but having tracks dedicated to it is a loser. That's why you need slot money to prop it up. Slot money just allows the industry to keep ignoring the fact that the product isn't good enough. We should have fewer tracks, and they should have full fields. If people didn't have a place to run their slow horses, then maybe they'd stop making so many slow horses(one would hope.) Have 12 or 13 races a day (of full fields) at the bigger tracks. There's nothing wrong with a few cheap races, but dedicating whole cards to it isn't the answer. It worked before the internet, and OTB came. Given a choice, not enough people want to spend their money on that crap. That's the honest truth. Turfway, and Delta are crap. Some people like the Mountain, but you don't need very many of those establishments. The product is a minor one. People gunna lose their jobs if they close them? O.K., well, you don't seem too upset when every other kind of worker loses their job. Atleast there's a good reason this time(bad product.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19306.html

This is total bs. i especially like this

But Reid defended the spending, saying that the "government is the only body that has any money" to spend to prop up the sagging economy.

that refrain is getting old already. Spent 780 billion last week, 418 billion this week, plans to spend 634 billion on healthcare.....

30 days.....
closing in on 2 trillion


This is like my wife getting trillion dollar Amex and hitting the mall....spend spend spend till it doesnt work anymore. She then calls the card "broken". The country is going to be broken for sure with these out of touch people like Reid in charge.

You're the one who's badly out of touch. Tracks like Turfway need to close, and trying to keep a bad product going just keeps showing everyone that the industry wants to prop up a bad product by getting money from slot players. You don't want to pay taxes to the GOV'T, but you sure want to GOV'T to get money from slots players to pay purses for bad races. I don't have any great love for slot players, but the TURFWAY type product s-u-c-k-s, and you shouldn't blame politicians for being tired of these tracks not providing their own purses. Maybe they don't want to prop this crap up using money from people that have no interest in horseracing. Run at larger tracks, and fill up the damn card. All these large tracks should have big fields like many of the races at Gulfstream have. You like stuff that works efficiently, and without waste. Well, that's not TURFWAY. It's not making enough to pay good purses, because the racing s-u-c-k-s there(bad product.) Race at the premier tracks(even if it's in cheap races there.) The industry is hurt by all these crappy tracks cutting field size at the premier tracks. The answer is to have more cheap races written at big tracks, and run larger fields there. There shouldn't be small fields at our premier tracks. That's a disgraceful embarassment in American Racing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Such carrying on. You were in for 8 years. You gave tax breaks to the rich, and started an expensive war that has virtually no payoff for the average American(talk about waste.) Tax breaks for the rich didn't work. You want to have more of them. It won't work. You've got no answers to clean up what you created. Your boy wanted to have people spend their social security on stocks(o.k., that's was an exhibition of stupidity.) We are gunna start regulating the areas of the economy that Chuck's "successful people" looted. Any modern day Democratic Presidential Candidate that can win the state of fkn Indiana is smarter than you. He's smarter than me. He's smarter than any of us. So, keep thinking you know better than somebody this smart, but you don't.

Chuck, people don't particularly care about playing cheap thoroughbred horses(not when they can play better horses .) If ya put them on a card with good horses, then people will tolerate it, but having tracks dedicated to it is a loser. That's why you need slot money to prop it up. Slot money just allows the industry to keep ignoring the fact that the product isn't good enough. We should have fewer tracks, and they should have full fields. If people didn't have a place to run their slow horses, then maybe they'd stop making so many slow horses(one would hope.) Have 12 or 13 races a day (of full fields) at the bigger tracks. There's nothing wrong with a few cheap races, but dedicating whole cards to it isn't the answer. It worked before the internet, and OTB came. Given a choice, not enough people want to spend their money on that crap. That's the honest truth. Turfway, and Delta are crap. Some people like the Mountain, but you don't need very many of those establishments. The product is a minor one. People gunna lose their jobs if they close them? O.K., well, you don't seem too upset when every other kind of worker loses their job. Atleast there's a good reason this time(bad product.)

replacing bad ideas with bad ideas won't change a thing or make things better. obama says he is concernced about a deficit gone wild, so he signs tons more spending, but he's going to cut the deficit in four years time? yeah, dream on. he says he's going to cut war spending, but whoever he takes from iraq is going to afganistan, so what decreases will result from that?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by pgardn

What exactly is all Barak Obama's fault?

And please find the people that think 9/11 was Bush's
fault. He had only recently become president. Find who
wrote or thought Bush had something to do with 9/11
and you will have identified certified lunatics.

Michael Moore... and anyone who listens to him (a lot of libs)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're the one who's badly out of touch. Tracks like Turfway need to close, and trying to keep a bad product going just keeps showing everyone that the industry wants to prop up a bad product by getting money from slot players. You don't want to pay taxes to the GOV'T, but you sure want to GOV'T to get money from slots players to pay purses for bad races. I don't have any great love for slot players, but the TURFWAY type product s-u-c-k-s, and you shouldn't blame politicians for being tired of these tracks not providing their own purses. Maybe they don't want to prop this crap up using money from people that have no interest in horseracing. Run at larger tracks, and fill up the damn card. All these large tracks should have big fields like many of the races at Gulfstream have. You like stuff that works efficiently, and without waste. Well, that's not TURFWAY. It's not making enough to pay good purses, because the racing s-u-c-k-s there(bad product.) Race at the premier tracks(even if it's in cheap races there.) The industry is hurt by all these crappy tracks cutting field size at the premier tracks. The answer is to have more cheap races written at big tracks, and run larger fields there. There shouldn't be small fields at our premier tracks. That's a disgraceful embarassment in American Racing.

The best part of slogging through your analogy is that you pretty much just made my point for me. The democratic ideal would be to pour money into saving the tracks that "need saving".

The govt doesnt "get money from the slot players to give to Turfway". It is simply another form of gambling that should be allowed at places that already have gambling. We have subsidies in most businesses, why not the gambling business? Horseracing has been overtaxed for so long that it simply cant keep up because of the overtaxation. If the govt would simply slash the billions of dollars it takes from tracks and its players each year we wouldnt need slots to compete. But keep on smoking the stuff you are smoking.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Such carrying on. You were in for 8 years. You gave tax breaks to the rich, and started an expensive war that has virtually no payoff for the average American(talk about waste.) Tax breaks for the rich didn't work. You want to have more of them. It won't work. You've got no answers to clean up what you created. Your boy wanted to have people spend their social security on stocks(o.k., that's was an exhibition of stupidity.) We are gunna start regulating the areas of the economy that Chuck's "successful people" looted. Any modern day Democratic Presidential Candidate that can win the state of fkn Indiana is smarter than you. He's smarter than me. He's smarter than any of us. So, keep thinking you know better than somebody this smart, but you don't.

Chuck, people don't particularly care about playing cheap thoroughbred horses(not when they can play better horses .) If ya put them on a card with good horses, then people will tolerate it, but having tracks dedicated to it is a loser. That's why you need slot money to prop it up. Slot money just allows the industry to keep ignoring the fact that the product isn't good enough. We should have fewer tracks, and they should have full fields. If people didn't have a place to run their slow horses, then maybe they'd stop making so many slow horses(one would hope.) Have 12 or 13 races a day (of full fields) at the bigger tracks. There's nothing wrong with a few cheap races, but dedicating whole cards to it isn't the answer. It worked before the internet, and OTB came. Given a choice, not enough people want to spend their money on that crap. That's the honest truth. Turfway, and Delta are crap. Some people like the Mountain, but you don't need very many of those establishments. The product is a minor one. People gunna lose their jobs if they close them? O.K., well, you don't seem too upset when every other kind of worker loses their job. Atleast there's a good reason this time(bad product.)

Tax breaks for the Rich has always worked. It has paid for many of the govt services that you obviously need like mental health clinics and the substance abuse programs that you may need to consider.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obama didnt win the election, The GOP lost it. They ran a fossil and MILF. The GPK /PG1985 ticket would have done better.

the cards fell right for Obama , dems wanted someone who didn't vote for the war , that knocked out hillary , going against mccain couldn't have been better for barack , i mean the guy has 7 houses , doesn't even know where they are and is out of touch with the avg american , he jogged kinda like a stakes horse would in an allowance race

but the party had no one else chuck or was going to beat him from the right

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Tax breaks for the Rich has always worked.

You do realize that supply-side economics have proven time after time to be an abject failure....right?

[gales0678]

chuck - i tihnk the dems could have put up jimmy carter or anyone else last year and they would have won

the media pounded on bush for 8 yrs and balmed him for everything

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You do realize that supply-side economics have proven time after time to be an abject failure....right?

That is not true. Higher taxes and bigger govt have proven time after time to be false prophets.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck - i tihnk the dems could have put up jimmy carter or anyone else last year and they would have won

the media pounded on bush for 8 yrs and balmed him for everything

they did... just a tanner version.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Whoa!

Oh, they'll exist someday....

[Smooth Operator]

Wow ... unemployment numbers continue to go thru the roof.



Obama really has his work cut out for himself as he tries to lift the country out of the 'Great Bush-Cheney Depression'........

[Danzig]

everyone does realize that our govt doesn't make a dime, doesn't turn a profit, and is fully funded by us, the taxpayer-right? more, higher paying jobs are what pays govt, pays all their programs they push thru. and every time they add spending, where does the money come from to pay for it? us.
so, we have huge deficits that are driving down our dollar, and driving away investors-which has effects on growing our jobs here. so, what does our govt do to solve this problem? more spending, which creates a bigger deficit, whiche means less people wanting to invest in this country. after all, every time we borrow for our budget, someone is buying our bonds and such-we're asking countries to invest, while piling more mistakes on ones already made.
and now more spending passed after this 'stimulus' package he signed last tuesday...debt on top of the debt that's already made things difficult. tell me folks...if you want to have more money at the end of the month-do you get another credit card? ask for a raise? or do you cut your discretionary spending?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

everyone does realize that our govt doesn't make a dime, doesn't turn a profit, and is fully funded by us, the taxpayer-right? more, higher paying jobs are what pays govt, pays all their programs they push thru. and every time they add spending, where does the money come from to pay for it? us.
so, we have huge deficits that are driving down our dollar, and driving away investors-which has effects on growing our jobs here. so, what does our govt do to solve this problem? more spending, which creates a bigger deficit, whiche means less people wanting to invest in this country. after all, every time we borrow for our budget, someone is buying our bonds and such-we're asking countries to invest, while piling more mistakes on ones already made.
and now more spending passed after this 'stimulus' package he signed last tuesday...debt on top of the debt that's already made things difficult. tell me folks...if you want to have more money at the end of the month-do you get another credit card? ask for a raise? or do you cut your discretionary spending?

cut spending ain't no one getting a raise

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Wow ... unemployment numbers continue to go thru the roof.



Obama really has his work cut out for himself as he tries to lift the country out of the 'Great Bush-Cheney Depression'........

I have a feeling that you ain't seen nothing yet.