My Barack Wish List

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well....I'll open myself up to the daggers. Before the economy tanked and since Irag was always a no brainer...Here was my wish list over the next 4-8 years...in no particular order..

* Ban semi-automatic weapons and no concealed carry disagree, just enforce the gun laws already on the books.
* Ban the Death Penalty disagree, stop all the appeals that drag on for 15-20 years. kill'em, cremate'm and stop wasting the money.
* Full rights for Gays to marry agree
* Simplify the tax code agree
* No offshore drilling disagree, less dependence on foreign oil and better efficiency on what we are using
* Stem Cell research at further levels agree, if it will help people in the future
* Less farm subsidies unless warranted agree, make the adjustments and stop the abuse.
* Revise "No Child Left Behind" to reasonable standards
* Revisit NAFTA agree and make corrections
* NASA...what does it mean?
* Environment, Environment, Environment
i'd like to see big welfare reform. it will never happen under this administration. my fear this administration gives them even more.

This should be fun..

i usually try and keep my mouth shut in here.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

stop all the appeals that drag on for 15-20 years. kill'em, cremate'm and stop wasting the money.

There was a guy awhile ago here in Illinois named Anthony Porter. He was on death row for something like 15 years. Then, two days before he was scheduled to be executed, his lawyers won some sort of stay of execution after finally uncovering some kind of new evidence. Death penalty advocates moaned about the never ending appeals process and the fact that a new investigation was being launched.
Later on, it turned out that Porter was found to be innocent. Some other guy confessed to the crime and everything.

Are you saying it would be better if Porter had simply been executed right away....before nasty things like the actual facts of the case got involved?
And by the way, Porter is just one of many: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...reed-death-row

Some of the interesting stuff is at the bottom:
Average number of years between being sentenced to death and exoneration: 9.5 years
Number of cases in which DNA played a substantial factor in establishing innocence: 17


It makes me wonder how many people were executed for crimes they didn't do in the era BEFORE DNA testing, and how many might be executed now, before some future technology is developed that we don't yet know about.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by miraja2

There was a guy awhile ago here in Illinois named Anthony Porter. He was on death row for something like 15 years. Then, two days before he was scheduled to be executed, his lawyers won some sort of stay of execution after finally uncovering some kind of new evidence. Death penalty advocates moaned about the never ending appeals process and the fact that a new investigation was being launched.
Later on, it turned out that Porter was found to be innocent. Some other guy confessed to the crime and everything.

Are you saying it would be better if Porter had simply been executed right away....before nasty things like the actual facts of the case got involved?
And by the way, Porter is just one of many: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...reed-death-row

Some of the interesting stuff is at the bottom:
Average number of years between being sentenced to death and exoneration: 9.5 years
Number of cases in which DNA played a substantial factor in establishing innocence: 17


It makes me wonder how many people were executed for crimes they didn't do in the era BEFORE DNA testing, and how many might be executed now, before some future technology is developed that we don't yet know about.

Remember this well.....

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

Originally Posted by GBBob
Well....I'll open myself up to the daggers. Before the economy tanked and since Irag was always a no brainer...Here was my wish list over the next 4-8 years...in no particular order..

* Ban semi-automatic weapons and no concealed carry disagree, just enforce the gun laws already on the books.
* Ban the Death Penalty disagree, stop all the appeals that drag on for 15-20 years. kill'em, cremate'm and stop wasting the money.
* Full rights for Gays to marry agree
* Simplify the tax code agree
* No offshore drilling disagree, less dependence on foreign oil and better efficiency on what we are using
* Stem Cell research at further levels agree, if it will help people in the future
* Less farm subsidies unless warranted agree, make the adjustments and stop the abuse.
* Revise "No Child Left Behind" to reasonable standards
* Revisit NAFTA agree and make corrections
* NASA...what does it mean?
* Environment, Environment, Environment
i'd like to see big welfare reform. it will never happen under this administration. my fear this administration gives them even more.

This should be fun..
i usually try and keep my mouth shut in here.

I agree with DD across the board.

* I hate guns, but taking away LEGAL guns won't stop the killings. The criminals find ways through black markets to procure their weapons of choice. My mom's neighborhood is now wired with "ShotSpotter" (ain't that pleasant ) which was supposed to slow down the rampant random shootings... it hasn't. These people must either be sent to jail never to return to society or in the case of an actual death, removed (death penalty).

[Honu]

Heres mine.

Dont raise my taxes.
Dont take my tax breaks away.
Dont let our national defense weaken.
Dont take away the freedom of the press , if you dont like what you read or hear dont listen to it or read it.
Dont make union votes known to everyone.
Dont start a civil police , we already have enough police , army , and national guard.
Dont try and make everything and everyone equal.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i usually try and keep my mouth shut in here.

Me too. Credit to Bob, I had a full response typed out...but deleted it.

You almost sucked me in Bob.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

I'll open myself too, but you'll never see me respect what's wrong and I never flip-flop my opinion either....


* Ban semi-automatic weapons and no concealed carry - TOTALLY 100% AGREE

in order for evil to triumph all it takes is for a good man to do nothing (or be unable to do anything)

The only ones that have to worry when an honest man has a gun are the dishonest men

it is better to have a semi-automatic weapon and not need than to need a semi-automatic weapon and not have one

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I've typed several replies and deleted them all because I truly don't know what to say to that.

Wow we can finally go to war as political comrades. Cmon jwkniska you can't believe that or were more pent up than Scavs as a kid or have some kind of hidden demons you need to confront. I've met you and Billy Sr would But John F may? no even he would be

Originally Posted by miraja2

Being a man of your word is slightly less impressive when your word of choice is bigot.

bigot...

he wants em dead.

You are being kind.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Being a man of your word is slightly less impressive when your word of choice is bigot.

ta da

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Disagree with 1, 2, 5, Strongly agree with 4 and 11, although 11 is more politicized than most on the left would like to believe.

I'm stiil against 6, but I get the intention.

I'll comment on 3 again and repeat in different wording.
I need to be convinced gay marriage will never have to be accepted
by any religious congregation who doesn't want it.
Houses of worship have to be absolutely bulletproof from government legislation
and the courts on this issue.
Put that in writing, and I'll actually go to the booth, and vote in favor of gay marriage in my state if it ever comes up.
Not an unreasonable condition to ask of the gay community to accept. Right ?

I think that it's fair for seperation of church and state to work both ways.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think that it's fair for seperation of church and state to work both ways.

excellent idea.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Disagree with 1, 2, 5, Strongly agree with 4 and 11, although 11 is more politicized than most on the left would like to believe.

I'm stiil against 6, but I get the intention.

I'll comment on 3 again and repeat in different wording.
I need to be convinced gay marriage will never have to be accepted
by any religious congregation who doesn't want it.
Houses of worship have to be absolutely bulletproof from government legislation
and the courts on this issue.
Put that in writing, and I'll actually go to the booth, and vote in favor of gay marriage in my state if it ever comes up.
Not an unreasonable condition to ask of the gay community to accept. Right ?

It already is like that now without the gay marriage and would be the same with gays allowed to get married...

Any church is allowed to refuse to marry anyone... You think a Morman can walk into a Catholic church and get married? Ah dont think so!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

That's correct currently.

it would be the same with gay marriage...

Gays are not looking to bust down church doors and rub our homosexuality in the face of the religious people out there.

We are just looking for equality. Its hard for gay couples, especially with children. God forbid something happens to your partner, then you dont know if you will be able to keep your child... or be in the hospital room with your partner if he/she is ill or injured.

We just want security in our relationships and equal rights!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

it would be the same with gay marriage...

Gays are not looking to bust down church doors and rub our homosexuality in the face of the religious people out there.

We are just looking for equality. Its hard for gay couples, especially with children. God forbid something happens to your partner, then you dont know if you will be able to keep your child... or be in the hospital room with your partner if he/she is ill or injured.

We just want security in our relationships and equal rights!

I agree. There are some renegade gays out there who absolutely want to prove a point. Of course. Just like there are some renegade Christians out there who want to strip all same-sex couples of ALL benefits, period (or God forbid, as we've seen, want to kill them altogether...though I guess that would kind of fix the benefits thing from the top down, right?! ).I have no problem with the premise listed above, because it's exactly how it is right now, and I am of the thinking that this is mostly a very effective scare tactic used by anti-gay folks to keep people in line, even though it's an almost entirely disingenuous argument.

A good way to get a quick feel of why it's so important, or why civil unions being equal down to the very last drop at the federal level is important, is to take a quick look at health insurance.

Do some quick research (not you Lori, since I assume you're somewhat versed on it). Let's say my company offers Domestic Partner benefits (they do). Take a quick look at the amount of money it will cost you to insure you and your opposite-sex spouse vs. what it will cost me to insure myself and my same-sex Domestic Partner. The premium paid out of my paycheck will be the same...but take a quick dive into figuring out how the deductions for him are taxed and how the contributions my employer makes to HIS premiums are taxed.

Insuring a partner isn't such a sweet sounding deal once you get to the nuts and bolts of how much more expensive it is to do, even if my employer offers it.

Hospital visitation, inheritance, etc -- all important. But putting it in purely monetary terms is usually a good way to start, since there is a very heavy emphasis on taxes and spending for lots of conservatives.

Talk about unfair taxation of someone's money.....I just think there's a lot more to it than people realize. You can't exactly draw that tax break up in a legal document with a partner, like you could visitation rights, etc.

[TheSpyder]

It's nice to discuss these wish lists of things but right now gay ruleings, stem cell research, et all should not even be on the table. If you think the economy is bad now wait 6 months. We're just getting started on a long ride to stablize an world economy that is sinking faster than my Twin Spires account. This is serious stuff and if we do not corrected swiftly and properly we can see the dismantling of life as we know it.

We need the banks to get straightened out, a stimlulous package that greats jobs, weath, and people buying (not on credit)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

It's nice to discuss these wish lists of things but right now gay ruleings, stem cell research, et all should not even be on the table. If you think the economy is bad now wait 6 months. We're just getting started on a long ride to stablize an world economy that is sinking faster than my Twin Spires account. This is serious stuff and if we do not corrected swiftly and properly we can see the dismantling of life as we know it.

We need the banks to get straightened out, a stimlulous package that greats jobs, weath, and people buying (not on credit)

but surely we can focus on more than one thing at a time? obviously some needs are greater than others, but 'the greatest country in the world' should be able to multi-task....

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

It's nice to discuss these wish lists of things but right now gay ruleings, stem cell research, et all should not even be on the table. If you think the economy is bad now wait 6 months. We're just getting started on a long ride to stablize an world economy that is sinking faster than my Twin Spires account. This is serious stuff and if we do not corrected swiftly and properly we can see the dismantling of life as we know it.

We need the banks to get straightened out, a stimlulous package that greats jobs, weath, and people buying (not on credit)

I agree, in a rare moment of pure unselfishness (enjoy it while it lasts....).

I am optimistic about DOMA being repealed and about civil unions some day, though I think getting rid of DADT as soon as possible should still be a pressing issue, because like them or not, there are still wars, and like them or not, there are still gays who are more than happy to be a part of them.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

It's nice to discuss these wish lists of things but right now gay ruleings, stem cell research, et all should not even be on the table. If you think the economy is bad now wait 6 months.

Exactly how strong does the economy need to be before it will be okay to consider providing homosexuals with the same rights as heterosexuals? Must equality of rights really wait for the GDP or unemployment or home ownership to reach a certain level? I'm not sure I understand that logic.
In reality there is no way the federal government will have the courage to tackle the issue of gay marriage anyway - regardless of the economic environment - but I think the argument that they shouldn't concern themselves with the issue now just because of the economy is seriously flawed.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

the same as I said to Danzig applies to you too !

oh go fucl< yourself!