Gotta love Saratoga/NYRA - Condition Book

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I should have saved the $8.50 for the movie last night to stay home and follow this thread. I think the thread was more entertaining (although Public Enemies is pretty good).

you do realize i'm on the payroll here

[rpncaine]

Is Wes Ward coming to the Spa with 2 year olds?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MisterB

My biggest problem with Kentucky trainers invading the Spa, is NYRA gives them 30 stalls to encourage them to ship here, and the larger purses warrent the move. The problem is they don't start many of the ones they ship in. Leaving NY trainers to get lesser stall space, and they are forced to ship up and down 87. Of course, this has nothing to do with the topic

I don't have the stats, and I'm talking off the cuff/or out my ars, but I don't think the Past few years have not been to good to the Churchill group. They use to be a good angle at one time, but I find it as a good bet against the last few years.

The reason that out of town trainers dont make as many starts as the NY based stables is the fact that they rarely have NYbreds that make up at least 1/3 of the cards.

[GBBob]

Looks like he has one in an early 2yr old Allowance tomorrow at AP:

ALLOWANCE

Purse $41,480. (Includes $10,980 – IOA - Illinois Registered Owner Award). For Fillies Two Years Old Which Have Never Won A Race Other Than Maiden, Claiming, Or Starter Or Have Never Won Two Races. Weight, 122 Lbs. Non-winners Of $24,000 Allowed 2 Lbs. $18,000 Allowed 4 Lbs. $16,800 Allowed 6 Lbs. (Races Where Entered For $25,000 Or Less Not Considered). Six Furlongs. (All Weather Track)
P# PP Horse Virtual
Stable A/S Med Jockey Wgt Trainer M/L
1 1 Mindy Michelle (FL) 2/F L* J Graham 116 E Kenneally 7/2
2 2 Dorothy Y (IL) 2/F T Thornton 118 T R Young 8/1
3 3 Beautiful Lori (FL) 2/F L1* E T Baird 116 D L Miller 2/1
4 4 Maytwooseven (KY) 2/F L E Razo, Jr. 116 F Kaelin 8/1
5 5 Beautiful Bliss (KY) 2/F L D Sanchez 118 M Stidham 5/2
6 6 Solid Lunar (KY) 2/F L Q Hamilton 116 S M Asmussen 4/1

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Looks like he has one in an early 2yr old Allowance tomorrow at AP:

ALLOWANCE

Purse $41,480. (Includes $10,980 – IOA - Illinois Registered Owner Award). For Fillies Two Years Old Which Have Never Won A Race Other Than Maiden, Claiming, Or Starter Or Have Never Won Two Races. Weight, 122 Lbs. Non-winners Of $24,000 Allowed 2 Lbs. $18,000 Allowed 4 Lbs. $16,800 Allowed 6 Lbs. (Races Where Entered For $25,000 Or Less Not Considered). Six Furlongs. (All Weather Track)
P# PP Horse Virtual
Stable A/S Med Jockey Wgt Trainer M/L
1 1 Mindy Michelle (FL) 2/F L* J Graham 116 E Kenneally 7/2
2 2 Dorothy Y (IL) 2/F T Thornton 118 T R Young 8/1
3 3 Beautiful Lori (FL) 2/F L1* E T Baird 116 D L Miller 2/1
4 4 Maytwooseven (KY) 2/F L E Razo, Jr. 116 F Kaelin 8/1
5 5 Beautiful Bliss (KY) 2/F L D Sanchez 118 M Stidham 5/2
6 6 Solid Lunar (KY) 2/F L Q Hamilton 116 S M Asmussen 4/1

aww... L Miller named a horse after me

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

aww... L Miller named a horse after me

Mr Frank Calabrese is a coming for ya Lori

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Gales

Take a deep breath, you're still missing the point. If there's anyone on this forum who disregards statistics it's me. This is because statistics deal with the general case and need not apply to a specific one. HOWEVER, that's not what you're looking at here. It's not a trainer that's 0 for whatever winning with a PARTICULAR horse, you're asking someone to win with MULTIPLE horses. In other words, the GENERAL case. And, here, statistics don't lie. K might win 1 or 2 but overall he'll be right where he should be --- at the low end percentage wise. So, you might cash on one but you'll give it all back on the others.

With all due respect, why are you gambing? Give your money to charity or your woman or your kids (if you have any); put to some better use.

worst advice I had ever seen

Gales, keep betting, increase your handle, go for it!

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The reason that out of town trainers dont make as many starts as the NY based stables is the fact that they rarely have NYbreds that make up at least 1/3 of the cards.

Maybe that's my point here. Why give up good space for non starters. Next year it will Penn national. Money flow

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Maybe that's my point here. Why give up good space for non starters. Next year it will Penn national. Money flow

The quality of the fields at Saratoga is improved as compared to the regular NYRA circuit because of the outside outfits. NY breds may fill out the cards and are great for owners but a negative at a meet like Saratoga. Without the outside outfits, Saratoga would just be Belmont North. Not to mention that shipping up and down the highway doesnt seem to bother the NY trainers that stable most of their better horses in Saratoga the rest of the Spring, summer and fall and ship to run at the downstate meets.

[Habersham000]

My friend has a really really nice 2yo that is with Kenneally. I can't remember the horses name but the sire is War Chant....the horse should be a freak. Kenneally has some really nice horses in his barn and I would not be surprised if he has a really nice spa meet with 2yo or his whole barn in general.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The quality of the fields at Saratoga is improved as compared to the regular NYRA circuit because of the outside outfits. NY breds may fill out the cards and are great for owners but a negative at a meet like Saratoga. Without the outside outfits, Saratoga would just be Belmont North. Not to mention that shipping up and down the highway doesnt seem to bother the NY trainers that stable most of their better horses in Saratoga the rest of the Spring, summer and fall and ship to run at the downstate meets.

good insight, but the north doesn't need Churchill horses to strive, we need less non starters that they hay down here. Waisted space for non runners/starters= bull crap.

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

My friend has a really really nice 2yo that is with Kenneally. I can't remember the horses name but the sire is War Chant....the horse should be a freak. Kenneally has some really nice horses in his barn and I would not be surprised if he has a really nice spa meet with 2yo or his whole barn in general.

Were you slipped a $20?














kidding.. Hope the guy and all involved have a great Spa meet

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

My friend has a really really nice 2yo that is with Kenneally. I can't remember the horses name but the sire is War Chant....the horse should be a freak. Kenneally has some really nice horses in his barn and I would not be surprised if he has a really nice spa meet with 2yo or his whole barn in general.

War Chant isn't exactly the sire you would be thinking of when you are talking two year olds at Saratoga. Of course unless you are strictly pointing to turf spots.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

My friend has a really really nice 2yo that is with Kenneally. I can't remember the horses name but the sire is War Chant....the horse should be a freak. Kenneally has some really nice horses in his barn and I would not be surprised if he has a really nice spa meet with 2yo or his whole barn in general.

They are all Freaks, Monsters, and Rockstars b4 they run...Then the Disappointment begins.

[Habersham000]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

War Chant isn't exactly the sire you would be thinking of when you are talking two year olds at Saratoga. Of course unless you are strictly pointing to turf spots.

He will be running on the turf....I will get the name of the horse so people can look out.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

He will be running on the turf....I will get the name of the horse so people can look out.

I dont think anyone can top KRIM's 'when rail trip runs, all will know his name.'

[Linny]

Didn't Rail Trip just win the Hollywood Gold Cup?

If a baby is well prepared for 2yo grass races at the Spa, they can do well. Alot of the grass horses are being given a race since there is no September grass stake that they are pointing for. Even now with a "BC" turf for juvies, there is still no real program for 2yo grassers. Most of them (in NY) are just well bred horses that didn't go well on dirt.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Scav make sure you watch Eddie Kennelly's 2 yr olds , he barn is loaded for the meet

Gales, nice call on the Kennellys.
I hit the 1-3 pick 3 today w/ him as my main. I liked him a bit on my own and thought the field sucked, but I did remember you touting them. Here they are.... As you will see I singled him on one and backed him up a bit with the KM firster " his firsters are not running a lick"


2009-08-12 12:39:34 PM Saratoga Flats Race 1 $1 P3 on 4,5,7 with 2 with 2,3,5-7 (ticket:5DEF8-BBE55) $15.00 $173.00
2009-08-12 12:39:07 PM Saratoga Flats Race 1 $1 P3 on 5,7 with 2,5 with 2,3,5-7 (ticket:A83CB-021B3) $20.00 $173.00

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Gales, nice call on the Kennellys.
I hit the 1-3 pick 3 today w/ him as my main. I liked him a bit on my own and thought the field sucked, but I did remember you touting them. Here they are.... As you will see I singled him on one and backed him up a bit with the KM firster " his firsters are not running a lick"


2009-08-12 12:39:34 PM Saratoga Flats Race 1 $1 P3 on 4,5,7 with 2 with 2,3,5-7 (ticket:5DEF8-BBE55) $15.00 $173.00
2009-08-12 12:39:07 PM Saratoga Flats Race 1 $1 P3 on 5,7 with 2,5 with 2,3,5-7 (ticket:A83CB-021B3) $20.00 $173.00

the other one that ran 2nd at 25-2 completed a nice exacta earlier in the meet , glad you made a score , if you bury yourself in ROI figures you'll end up on drugs

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the other one that ran 2nd at 25-2 completed a nice exacta earlier in the meet , glad you made a score , if you bury yourself in ROI figures you'll end up on drugs

He has one Saturday that looks live, but there is a Baffert in that race.