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Medaglia D'Oro will be the next Super Stud.
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came home is already getting a lot of notice.
i like mineshaft as well. he's the heir apparent to ap indy. as for some of the horses who will pass on unsoundness, GZ would never get near any mare i had. and you can pay 200k to get that fragility. hey, go for it.
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I absolutely loved this horse...might be the best looking horse I have ever seen....couldn't take my eyes off of him...but, sons of Kris S. haven't been very good sires and a lot of bloodstock agents believe that Rock Hard Ten will suffer because of his paternal side.....I'm very anxious to see how he turns out...his foals should have a lot of size, at least...I actually considered him for my best mare before going to Vindication.. |
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Whew, that's a toughy and I'll be bruttally honest... I think Smarty Jones will get every chance to be a good stallion obviously because he is getting an unbelievable book of mares....Personally, I think he will only be okay when you look back on him and consider the mares he is getting....he was never a big horse and i question his pedigree to a degree..with that being said, Elusive Quality has a solid reputation and its not like he is horribly bred....I percieve Elusive Oualitys to get good racehorses more so than good stallions, if that makes any sense at all. (same principle of broodmare sires who can get producers but not necessarily good racemares) The market allows for him to stand for $100K right now but I would not at all be surprised to see him come way down after a few crops hit the track....just my opinion....I always thought Lemon Drop Kid was way overpriced at $100K and would not prove to be a great stallion ad now he stands for $20K...we'll see, but if I had $100K I would rather go to Empire Maker or Pulpit or another stud....we'll see. But with that being said, I also thought Mineshaft would prove to be a very good sire at $100K and it looks like I will be wrong because everybody is really cold and concerned about his babies...not nearly as good as expected and now his stud fee looks like it will plumit in a year ot two... As for Afleet Alex, I personaly thing he was a better horse than Smarty Jones and had tremendous ability...on his best day he could beat about any horse in the world...I really believe that...his 3/8 of a mile burst was maybe the best I've ever seen (but I'm young). With that being said, he has a very uninspiring pedigree and will be labled as a Skip Away or Silver Charm (and any other great horse that had a subpar pedigree) until he proves that he can produce past his pedigree. I, for one, think he'll be the type of horse who will have some really fast horses and some really bad horses, and will be a useful stallion at a certain level...now, will $40,000 be the level?...he'll probably drop from there. But, I see him having a more prductive stallion career than some of the greats I mentioned above at a solid fee range of around $20-$30 K...we'll see |
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Afleet Alex actually has a few really good turf runners on his dam side (I believe former US grass horse of the year Hawaii) and AA won stakes races on dirt from 6f all the way to 12f. His offspring could be very versitile runners. I like his chances a lot. As for Smarty Jones. I loved him as a racehorse, and I hope he turns out to be a great sire, but I am just really not sure. |
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Cunningham, my question to you re: Mineshaft:
No matter how ugly/awkward/ etc.......his offspring appear to be now, don't you think breeders will at least wait until they run before judging him? Ok, maybe he won't sire the big, good-looking horses that sell well, but he is was still a superior racehorse with a superior pedigree and still has every right to be a great sire. Are stud fees set based on expected yearling sales prices or racetrack performance? If the former, then based on the lack of buzz, I guess I can understand why his stud fee would go down. However, isn't it still all about performance? How can any farm manager who dislikes Mineshaft's foals possibly even know whether they can run or not?I guess what I don't understand is that he was very highly regarded coming off the track; he was expected to be AP Indy's successor. Why is that not still possible? It makes no sense. Mineshaft hasn't lost his genetic ability between the time he retired and now - his pedigree is still the same. What is different, other than his foals are not precocious? I would sincerely hope that, since Mineshaft was AP Indy's best horse (although Pulpit was right up there - he was brilliant) and the best hope to carry on the Bold Ruler line (what are the odds on Vindication being anywhere near as good as Indy at stud? Not very good, no matter how nice his foals are), breeders will at least give him a shot to suceeed before calling him a dud and forcing Lane's End to send him to Japan. How depressing -IMO,Mineshaft is still a better prospect at stud than Empire Maker and before he even gets off the ground, he's already deemed a failure. |
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smarty jones was a very good horse and had great determination.
afleet alex, i think, had more overall talent and just as much if not more determination.he could have been a great horse. i'd love to seen alex on the turf! if they can pass along their determination qualities, their youngster will do well.
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This is interesting, but it kind of makes me sick. I watch racing to see athletes run.
A sample of my nausea, a direct quote from Bloodhorse, Throroughbred Champions of the 20th century: Easy Goer died at the age of eight after having sired JUST 136 foals in four years. The son of Alydar didn't have enough time to PROVE HIS WORTH... Alrighty then. WTF is this supposed to mean? |
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Mineshaft ran against 5 horse fields because everyone was scared to death to get on the track with him. Those other horses were expecting a share of the purse money. Good God. Think back on how many times Frankel ran away with Megs... It was ridiculous. Everyone knew they would not beat this guy so they ran AWAY. The only way you beat this guy was to completely weigh him down. And thats when you get the really good races, like with PD. This was a tremendous animal. I loved his running style. One of the most efficient horses I have ever watched. |
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Oh yes.
And I hope all of these guys offspring are complete flops. Keep em on the track if they are healthy. Keep em running. |
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I can only go by what I've seen. He was ducked like nobody else. He ran for Howard who is as clean as it gets. He was never asked in any of his races. Like I said all I do is watch races. He is the single best horse I've seen since I started watching. And say what you will about sheet numbers, they mean something and based on them only Ghostzapper has ever run faster (in history, not just the last 20 years) and that was 1 time. I know what I saw. I don't look to convince anyone else. |
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Dance With Ravens might be the heir apparent to AP Indy. It will take several years to tell, but he is by A.P. Indy and out of a champion mare from a family that has already produced the top stallion Smart Strike. His first two dams are Champions and he was a Graded stakes winner on both turf and dirt in an injury shortened career. He is just 4 and has already serviced a full book. If he has success early his books will get much better and he'll still be very young.
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