Rainbow 6 - Page 2

pmayjr · #21 02-23-2014, 11:42 AM

http://tnetwork.trakus.com/tnet/t_Gu...TBRED&Venue=20

No head-on available here either, but from watching the normal view and the sky view, I think that DQ was iffy at best. The #12 did come out on the #13 slightly (I'd say a "minor herd-job" lol), but in my opinion not enough to impede him from going by if he had the horse. The #13 then tried to rally back in after, but wasn't really gaining and couldn't keep himself straight either. Seriously the #12 didn't block the train from passing. He (very) slightly slowed down the senior citizen from crossing the street. I disagree with it.

But on a side note- that turf course looked like it was a 2nd dirt course. Looked like what you guys were complaining about during last meet at Saratoga. They either need rain or need to water that course more.

tector · #22 02-23-2014, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmayjr

But on a side note- that turf course looked like it was a 2nd dirt course. Looked like what you guys were complaining about during last meet at Saratoga. They either need rain or need to water that course more.

We need rain for sure. May be some later in the week. It has been quite warm.

ateamstupid · #23 02-23-2014, 04:53 PM

Whoa. I think that was actually a worse beat than yesterday's for whoever had the 3.

pointman · #24 02-23-2014, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Whoa. I think that was actually a worse beat than yesterday's for whoever had the 3.

The fix must have been in Joey. Zayas must have been instructed by track personal to let the 11 get up in the final yards.

casp0555 · #25 02-23-2014, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman

The fix must have been in Joey. Zayas must have been instructed by track personal to let the 11 get up in the final yards.

#26 02-23-2014, 05:25 PM

It will be funny/sad to know if it was the same guy that was alive in both days.

jms62 · #27 02-23-2014, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicopter11

It will be funny/sad to know if it was the same guy that was alive in both days.

If he was he probably won't be "alive" tomorrow.

alysheba4 · #28 02-24-2014, 07:36 AM

yesterday the DQ of the 4 horse in the 10th was every bit as Bad as the 12 horse being taken down Saturday.

Kasept · #29 02-24-2014, 07:50 AM

BEYER: At Gulfstream, a most costly DQ: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...9c0_story.html

Typically succinct Beyer view..

randallscott35 · #30 02-24-2014, 07:55 AM

The most important line in there by Beyer is the inconsistency in calls. That breeds the unfortunate conspiracy theories.

Danzig · #31 02-24-2014, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

BEYER: At Gulfstream, a most costly DQ: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...9c0_story.html

Typically succinct Beyer view..

i agree with beyer, the dq was warranted. the dq'd horse bothered the other twice, and both times the horse rallied, and fell short only a neck.
of course the money involved made people think it was something nefarious, but it wasn't....

10 pnt move up · #32 02-24-2014, 09:34 AM

dq'ing for herding........now thats funny.

That NEVER happens, it should, but it doesnt.

cmorioles · #33 02-24-2014, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...22214USA12.pdf

According to the chartcaller this was the right call

If you bet the horse who finished 2nd and the chart reads "bothered rival stretch" for the winner and you lose by a neck and dont come down?

The conspiracy theory is ridiculous.

I agree about the conspiracy theory being ridiculous, but so is citing the chart caller as evidence.

Cannon Shell · #34 02-24-2014, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I agree about the conspiracy theory being ridiculous, but so is citing the chart caller as evidence.

Really? The official transcript of the race is a ridiculous reference point?

So an impartial view of the race by a professional with years of experience, a good vantage point, and access to various camera angles of the race isn't a valid source in your eyes?

Please explain how the chart callers interpretation has no validity since it is his job to describe the race for the official record?

If there is a hearing about this incident it is a sure bet that the chart will be referred to as "evidence".

cmorioles · #35 02-24-2014, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Really? The official transcript of the race is a ridiculous reference point?

So an impartial view of the race by a professional with years of experience, a good vantage point, and access to various camera angles of the race isn't a valid source in your eyes?

Please explain how the chart callers interpretation has no validity since it is his job to describe the race for the official record?

If there is a hearing about this incident it is a sure bet that the chart will be referred to as "evidence".

That would all be well and good if it were realistic, but I've seen too many situations where the chart caller goes out of the way to agree with the stewards no matter how questionable (or even bad) the call.

Are you really going to pretend all chart callers do a good job? Do they really use all the camera angles available and still get the chart out in 15 minutes?

randallscott35 · #36 02-24-2014, 11:35 AM

Chart callers miss a lot. Some six dollar an hour guy is not deciding a 1.6 million prize here. Stewards do. And they haven't read the chart call when they make their decision. Obviously.

Cannon Shell · #37 02-24-2014, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles

That would all be well and good if it were realistic, but I've seen too many situations where the chart caller goes out of the way to agree with the stewards no matter how questionable (or even bad) the call.

Are you really going to pretend all chart callers do a good job? Do they really use all the camera angles available and still get the chart out in 15 minutes?

How would you possibly know this?

Are you going to pretend that we should just discount the charts on the off chance that caller isnt doing a good job?

Cannon Shell · #38 02-24-2014, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Chart callers miss a lot. Some six dollar an hour guy is not deciding a 1.6 million prize here. Stewards do. And they haven't read the chart call when they make their decision. Obviously.

They must have missed all those breakdowns that you envisioned.

randallscott35 · #39 02-24-2014, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They must have missed all those breakdowns that you envisioned.

Good one Chuck...One is too many.

cmorioles · #40 02-24-2014, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How would you possibly know this?

Are you going to pretend that we should just discount the charts on the off chance that caller isnt doing a good job?

Who said we should discount charts?

I would bet I follow the charts at all tracks a LOT closer than you do. Most do a good job given the time allowed. But if there wasn't a rush to get charts out, they could be much better.

But, this has nothing to do with charts guys commenting on DQ / non DQ situations. Charts are almost always tailored in these situations to follow the opinion of the stewards. This wasn't always the case, but in the last few years, it has become the norm.