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[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I always thought Artie Schiller was a bit overrated,

For a top US based turf horse (via Brazil anyway) - Leroydesanimueax - or however the fucl< you spell it - was underrated. He was a beast...albeit with Frankel's aid.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I always thought Artie Schiller was a bit overrated, though I doubt many agree with me here. Nobiz like Shobiz also comes to mind.

i agree on both, but nobiz, i think everyone finally woke up on that one.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

For a top US based turf horse (via Brazil anyway) - Leroydesanimueax - or however the fucl< you spell it - was underrated. He was a beast...albeit with Frankel's aid.

Le roi...it mean the king.

[randallscott35]

I don't think it is fair to compare Nobiz to Artie. Artie had a much better and deeper career. He was a solid miler.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

i agree on both, but nobiz, i think everyone finally woke up on that one.

Fu Peg after the Derby?

Talk about hysteria for a horse who just won with a flawless trip, an unspectacular figure, and good ole Impeachment not all that far behind in 3rd at the wire.

And he wasn't even undefeated like a Smarty Jones, Barbaro, or Big Brown coming in. He had the mystique of an undefeated horse - without the actual undefeated record.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

How about the most overrated horses of the last 11 years?

high fly

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Fu Peg after the Derby?

Talk about hysteria for a horse who just won with a flawless trip, an unspectacular figure, and good ole Impeachment not all that far behind in 3rd at the wire.

And he wasn't even undefeated like a Smarty Jones, Barbaro, or Big Brown coming in. He had the mystique of an undefeated horse - without the actual undefeated record.

His Jerome was pretty impressive.

[slotdirt]

Denis of Cork was, for a very brief period, quite possibly the most overrated horse on the planet.

I'm sure there are about 703 recent Euros who might fit in this conversation.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Nobiz like Shobiz also comes to mind.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ght=unbeatable

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sure there are about 703 recent Euros who might fit in this conversation.

And she would not be one of them....

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Denis of Cork was, for a very brief period, quite possibly the most overrated horse on the planet.

I'm sure there are about 703 recent Euros who might fit in this conversation.

Was the only one to make up significant ground in that 2008 Derby.

The majority of Euros fit it, but especially, ANY horse trained by Aidan O'Brien. NTamm is on standby ready to toss an encyclopedia of awful stats on his US runners.

[Indian Charlie]

I thought of mentioning Dylan Thomas, but my intent was to focus on horses based in the U.S.

[Calzone Lord]

Big day for Ramon Dominguez at Canada's AJAX Downs.

3 wins on the card for Ramon, so far he's won the 1st, 5th, and 7th.

http://www.ajaxdowns.com/raceresults.html

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I thought of mentioning Dylan Thomas, but my intent was to focus on horses based in the U.S.

Pretty much any Euro (Goldikova excepted) who's made their way to the USA for the Breeders Cup the last five or so years has been overrated.

Except Vale of York. He was special.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Pretty much any Euro (Goldikova excepted) who's made their way to the USA for the Breeders Cup the last five or so years has been overrated.

Is that why the few who come kick our asses in all the turf and synthetic races almost everytime? And many times - a few of the best don't come.

Harbinger - the Candy Ride of European racing from last year I suppose - would have killed any true American based turf horse I've ever seen at 12 furlongs.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Is that why the few who come kick our asses in all the turf and synthetic races almost everytime? And many times - a few of the best don't come.

Harbinger - the Candy Ride of European racing from last year I suppose - would have killed any true American based turf horse I've ever seen at 12 furlongs.

I try to throw you a Vale of York bone and this is what I get?

Well, yes, Conduit could also run a little. It's true.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I try to throw you a Vale of York bone and this is what I get?

Well, yes, Conduit could also run a little. It's true.

What about when they ran 1-2-3-4 in the 2005 BCT? Or when B-teamers like Red Rocks win two of our most important turf races? Seems like Dylan Thomas is the exception rather than the rule.

The only area where I'd agree with you is the BC Juvy Turf races since they were created. Those Euros almost always get overbet and lose to some mediocre American horse.

[Calzone Lord]

Raven's Pass sure showed Tiago.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What about when they ran 1-2-3-4 in the 2005 BCT? Or when B-teamers like Red Rocks win two of our most important turf races? Seems like Dylan Thomas is the exception rather than the rule.

The ground was a complete bog that day - not that Dylan Thomas wasn't overrated - but he obviously didn't handle it - getting beat like two football fields and finishing behind a few slugs.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What about when they ran 1-2-3-4 in the 2005 BCT? Or when B-teamers like Red Rocks win two of our most important turf races?

Or C-teamers like Dangerous Midge, who came back and was beaten a country mile.