A Sad Day For Racing - Page 2

westcoastinvader · #21 01-17-2011, 10:45 PM

Blame compiled an exemplary record in 2010 which consists of four Grade 1 victories, including yesterday's Classic win over Zenyatta. To many people who vote for Horse of the Year it will be enough. His record would clinch the award most of the time. This time it's not enough. Zenyatta ran the best race in the Classic, finishing one foot short of overcoming an almost insurmountable obstacle.

http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2...ewmode=default

That's another view that some voters may have taken regarding the head to head Classic.

Betsy · #22 01-17-2011, 10:49 PM

So Blame gets penalized because Zenyatta failed to overcome her own flaw, which is that she has to come from miles out of it?

It's hard to take HOY seriously anymore.

PatCummings · #23 01-17-2011, 10:52 PM

Not sure what others thought of it, but I'm pretty certain Mark DeDominico's acceptance speech for Blind Luck was a thinly-veiled ten minute non-stop assault on Team Zenyatta's lack of creativity in campaigning her, followed by the overwhelming platitudes that come with these things...

Travis Stone · #24 01-17-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Blame compiled an exemplary record in 2010 which consists of four Grade 1 victories, including yesterday's Classic win over Zenyatta. To many people who vote for Horse of the Year it will be enough. His record would clinch the award most of the time. This time it's not enough. Zenyatta ran the best race in the Classic, finishing one foot short of overcoming an almost insurmountable obstacle.

http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2...ewmode=default

That's another view that some voters may have taken regarding the head to head Classic.

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Originally Posted by Betsy

So Blame gets penalized because Zenyatta failed to overcome her own flaw, which is that she has to come from miles out of it?

It's hard to take HOY seriously anymore.

If Zenyatta had run the better race in the Classic, she would have won. I'm so sick of this argument.

Dahoss · #25 01-17-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Of course I could have my head up my ass...

Yep

Betsy · #26 01-17-2011, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If Zenyatta had run the better race in the Classic, she would have won. I'm so sick of this argument.

So now when we judge horses in line for Eclipses, we get to count near misses? Fly Down was close in the Belmont, Travers and BC Classic, but he wasn't even a finalist (I'm not saying he should be, but now they've opened up a can of worms). I could probably come up with more examples in recent years. I don't see what Zenyatta did for horse racing. I can promise you that when I get to my office tomorrow everyone who is not a racing fan (meaning probably 100% of the office) will be talking about almost everything under the sun and Zenyatta will NOT be one of the topics. Even if she did something for racing, how fair is it to other horses that they didn't emotionally captivate the public? Well she didn't captivate me - she never did. I never disliked her, I just never cared about her.

Blame beat Zenyatta fair and square - period. He was carrying more than his listed weight in the Classic because he actually had the weight of having to win by open lengths in order to win HOY. We had this discussion of losing performances a month or so ago. Slew's race in the Gold Cup was one losing performance where he deserved better; Zenyatta ran very well, but what was so special about her losing performance? Personal Ensign retired undefeated, running down a KY Derby winner on a track she despised - now those were insurmountable obstacles.

hockey2315 · #27 01-17-2011, 11:18 PM

How many Zenyatta voters do we think could beat the take-out over the course of a year?

Travis Stone · #28 01-17-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

How many Zenyatta voters do we think could beat the take-out over the course of a year?

Toss the person who voted for No Such Word over Blind Luck for 3yo filly into this as well.

DaTruth · #29 01-17-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Zenyatta ran very well, but what was so special about her losing performance?

Not much. If she was as great as her supporters made her out to be, she should have run down the not-so-great Blame.

my miss storm cat · #30 01-17-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Yep

I almost posted that you were exempt from my drama queen line but I figured you'd know that you were.

Really, I was talking about the original post.

Sorry but a sad day for racing struck me as a bit over the top, Hossy.

I did not mean any disrespect to you.

Okay gotta go try to rescus my head...

Dahoss · #31 01-18-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I almost posted that you were exempt from my drama queen line but I figured you'd know that you were.

Really, I was talking about the original post.

Sorry but a sad day for racing struck me as a bit over the top, Hossy.

I did not mean any disrespect to you.

Okay gotta go try to rescus my head...

It probably is a bit over the top. But I just don't see how this result was a good thing. If it happened in another sport it would be laughed at, as it should be.

my miss storm cat · #32 01-18-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

It probably is a bit over the top. But I just don't see how this result was a good thing. If it happened in another sport it would be laughed at, as it should be.

It's not that I think it's a good thing or a bad thing (I hate that damned phrase it is what it is, but...) more like the voters might have rationalized it that it would be good for the sport.

Is it?

I have no idea.

I wouldn't think so but then it could be argued name regognition is at least a step in the right direction (bringing in new revenue / fans / more attention).

The spitefulness, the hostility some people display toward a champion.... that is what I'll never understand.

Dahoss · #33 01-18-2011, 01:01 AM

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The spitefulness, the hostility some people display toward a champion.... that is what I'll never understand.

No one is hostile towards her. I'm not sure why this seems to get brought up over and over. No one hates or even dislikes her.

People wanted to see her campaigned more aggressively this year. If that's spiteful or hostile...so be it. They thought more highly of her than her fans and even connections. People are (understandably) confused about how the entire thing went down. IMO we took two steps back as a sport.

westcoastinvader · #34 01-18-2011, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

No one is hostile towards her. I'm not sure why this seems to get brought up over and over. No one hates or even dislikes her.

People wanted to see her campaigned more aggressively this year. If that's spiteful or hostile...so be it. They thought more highly of her than her fans and even connections. People are (understandably) confused about how the entire thing went down. IMO we took two steps back as a sport.

People wanted to see her campaigned more aggressively this year.

As they did for Rachel Alexandra. Her connections were thought to have ducked the Zenyatta match up this year. For whatever their possibly good reasons.

This country has an electoral college for final validation of Presidential elections.

Blame was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

letswastemoney · #35 01-18-2011, 01:19 AM

Why do we even have restricted and open G1 races if there's no difference in weight? If a horse can win HOTY by winning all restricted G1s...wouldn't it be more fair if all graded stakes were open?

westcoastinvader · #36 01-18-2011, 01:24 AM

Blame paid about a nearly full $10 in his Stephen Foster win this year.

Pretty sure Secretariat, Seattle Slew.....or Zenyatta rarely returned same.

Then Blame won a race at Aqueduct, and another race in New York.

Then lost a race in New York.

Then, barely triumphed over the undefeated Zenyatta in The Classic.

This voting really isn't that complicated, folks.

Left Bank · #37 01-18-2011, 01:44 AM

Just think,everybody.Next year,Todd Shrupp and the rest of the cast of idiots from TVG and HRTV will get to cast votes as well.Oh Boy!!

letswastemoney · #38 01-18-2011, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Blame paid about a nearly full $10 in his Stephen Foster win this year.

Pretty sure Secretariat, Seattle Slew.....or Zenyatta rarely returned same.

Then Blame won a race at Aqueduct, and another race in New York.

Then lost a race in New York.

Then, barely triumphed over the undefeated Zenyatta in The Classic.

This voting really isn't that complicated, folks.

What does it say about Zenyatta if a lowly horse such as Blame beat her?

dean smith · #39 01-18-2011, 06:40 AM

Last year, when Zenyatta did win the BC Classic, a lot of you East Coast-biased fans kept repeating, "the HOY is NOT decided at the Classic."

Ironically, this appears to be the only solid case for why Blame was "robbed."

By the way, had Blame won, he would have been just about the weakest, most quickly-forgotten HOY ever. So what if the 2010 HOY was Zenyatta's "The Departed"?

blackthroatedwind · #40 01-18-2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Blame paid about a nearly full $10 in his Stephen Foster win this year.

Pretty sure Secretariat, Seattle Slew.....or Zenyatta rarely returned same.

Then Blame won a race at Aqueduct, and another race in New York.

Then lost a race in New York.

Then, barely triumphed over the undefeated Zenyatta in The Classic.

This voting really isn't that complicated, folks.

All that's missing is a hiccup.