Airport X-Ray Controversy

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

How about we get the Arabs where it really hurts? Like taking a closer look at all those getting their food subsidized in NYC, for example. It's not so much that these F-U-C-Kers are recent immigrants and we're paying for their food (I mean, if we took their privileges away we'd also have to do likewise in the case of all those new immigrant Chinese nonagenarians -- you know, the one's that haven't worked A SINGLE F U CKIN day in this country). It's the added smack in the face of watching them pay with their food cards at the local market while their spouses are waiting for them outside in their new $40k SUV's.

This PC BS has gotten just a wee bit out of control.

are you talkin about the President's Auntie?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

are you talkin about the President's Auntie?

I have no real problems with AMERICANS or those who have worked in this country for a period of time getting a hand out. I do, however, have issues with NEWLY ARRIVED MoFo's taking advantage of the system. China solved their 'hunger' problem: they just shipped all their scum over here and we're feeding them. It's a real pleasure.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I have no real problems with AMERICANS or those who have worked in this country for a period of time getting a hand out. I do, however, have issues with NEWLY ARRIVED MoFo's taking advantage of the system.

So the Auntie who came over illegally, was kicked out of the country but stayed and was granted citizenship (somehow LOL) who's lived on the public dole for years doesn't count?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So the Auntie who came over illegally, was kicked out of the country but stayed and was granted citizenship (somehow LOL) who's lived on the public dole for years doesn't count?

I'm talking about the whole F u c kin borough of Brooklyn (and most of Queens) and you're going on like a R E T AR D about one person. I get it, you're a f u c k i n Republican and you're not willing to take responsibility for Bush collapsing the global economy. Here's a suggestion: STFU, sit the f u c k down and wait your turn, like we did, when your re ta rd was in office.

That answer your question, scumbag?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm talking about the whole F u c kin borough of Brooklyn (and most of Queens) and you're going on like a R E T AR D about one person. I get it, you're a f u c k i n Republican and you're not willing to take responsibility for Bush collapsing the global economy. Here's a suggestion: STFU, sit the f u c k down and wait your turn, like we did, when your re ta rd was in office.

That answer your question, scumbag?

There's a bunch of very religious people and a good steak joint in Brooklyn (right by the bridge) so it can't be the entire F'n borough of Brooklyn. JAG BAG!

And Bush had nothing to do with Fannie May, Countrywide and the rest of 'the give everyone a chance to buy a house.'

[dellinger63]

BTW Fatman I'll use the N word before I use the R word but you go girl!

[alysheba4]

the next time i fly out of l.a x, i might position a 12 in. marital aid down the front of my pants.

[notyep59]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm talking about the whole F u c kin borough of Brooklyn (and most of Queens) and you're going on like a R E T AR D about one person. I get it, you're a f u c k i n Republican and you're not willing to take responsibility for Bush collapsing the global economy. Here's a suggestion: STFU, sit the f u c k down and wait your turn, like we did, when your re ta rd was in office.

That answer your question, scumbag?

that, my friends, was beautiful

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

There's a bunch of very religious people and a good steak joint in Brooklyn (right by the bridge) so it can't be the entire F'n borough of Brooklyn. JAG BAG!

And Bush had nothing to do with Fannie May, Countrywide and the rest of 'the give everyone a chance to buy a house.'

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_92843805/

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm talking about the whole F u c kin borough of Brooklyn (and most of Queens) and you're going on like a R E T AR D about one person. I get it, you're a f u c k i n Republican and you're not willing to take responsibility for Bush collapsing the global economy. Here's a suggestion: STFU, sit the f u c k down and wait your turn, like we did, when your re ta rd was in office.

That answer your question, scumbag?

I guess you think Obama is better. He cant use the excuse he inherited a mess from Bush anymore. Hasnt he been in office for over 1 1/2 years now? Instead of trying to fix the economy, unemployment, and getting rid of the scumbag taxpayers burden known as illegals he decides to pass this healthcare bill that the American public didnt want. Maybe the mid term elections will be a wake up call for him and he will start concentrating on taking of the issue's that face this nation. I doubt he do that but he would rather take care of other countries instead of his own. Im sure when Obama is out of office hopefully in 2013 he will blame Bush for his failure. Do us all the favor sit down on your favorite chair and go eat a doughnut.

[notyep59]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I guess you think Obama is better. He cant use the excuse he inherited a mess from Bush anymore. Hasnt he been in office for over 1 1/2 years now? Instead of trying to fix the economy, unemployment, and getting rid of the scumbag taxpayers burden known as illegals he decides to pass this healthcare bill that the American public didnt want. Maybe the mid term elections will be a wake up call for him and he will start concentrating on taking of the issue's that face this nation. I doubt he do that but he would rather take care of other countries instead of his own. Im sure when Obama is out of office hopefully in 2013 he will blame Bush for his failure. Do us all the favor sit down on your favorite chair and go eat a doughnut.

why don't you just copy and paste the part about the healthcare the american public didn't want, because it seems to find its way into most of your posts. and i'm sure you're not racist because you have how many black friends?? i know you hate this president. i know how you're voting in 2012. one thing i don't know about you is if you are an idiot or not. but i BELIEVE you are.

[Danzig]

i think every passenger should go thru the screener, their bags as well. don't like it, don't fly. no exceptions. that way, no one can say they were singled out, there's no racial profiling, and no one is skipped/missed. anyone can be a threat regardless of their looks.

[Princess Doreen]

I'd rather be asked a few questions than go through a physical assault. We don't fly that much - only twice in the past 8 years. If there's a need to fly somewhere, we'll opt out until they change their procedure. And that, of course, is my right. Despite the myriad of millions plowed into this body scan technology, I doubt it's going to stick around long.

Former Israeli Airline Security Chief: U.S. Needs to Profile Air Passengers Tuesday, November 16, 2010
By Edwin Mora

(CNSNews.com) - As criticism mounts over the use of full-body scanners and physical pat-downs at U.S. airports, the former security director for Israel’s national airline told CNSNews.com that airline security in America is an “illusion,” and that the United States should adopt El Al’s passenger profiling approach to ensure safety.

According to Isaac Yeffet, the former security chief for El Al Israel Airlines, the United States should adopt El Al’s security approach of ensuring that every passenger is interviewed by a well-trained agent before check-in, a move that involves profiling passengers, which he said is not discriminatory.

El Al is considered by most security analysts as the most secure airline in the world because of its track-record in deterring hijackings and terror plots. The airline has been free of terrorist attacks for about 30 years and it has experienced only one hijacking in its history. Global Traveler magazine has named El Al as number one in its Best Airline for Security for the last three years in a row.

Nonetheless, critics of American airliners adopting El Al’s security approach say it would violate passengers’ civil rights by allowing some passengers to be more intensely scrutinized than others.

Yeffet said that U.S. airliners should implement “exactly the same [security] system” as El Al.

“Yes, profiling,” he said. “Profiling is not that I am choosing that I want to interview them. We don’t have discrimination [at El Al]. Every passenger--I don’t care who he or she is--has to be interviewed by security. We have to be polite. We know how to ask questions.”

“The TSA [Transportation Safety Administration in USA] wants to tell me we now have security in this country--this is an illusion,” he said. “It’s not security. It’s about time that we are proactive and reactive. In this country we fear reactive, we don’t do anything to be proactive.”

When asked if he thought the use of full-body scanners created an illusion of security, Yeffet said, "Yes, they are a small part of the entire system that you use to check a passenger if he is suspicious."

The TSA, a Department of Homeland Security agency, has put in place a procedure for a physical pat-down of airline passengers as part of an overall increase in security and has also ramped-up the use electronic (x-ray) body scanners at airports.

The TSA has decided that if a passenger opts out of going through the body scanner or if the scanner shows something suspicious, a security officer will do a pat-down.

Reacting to TSA’s move to step-up air security, Yeffet said, “Technology in general can never replace a qualified and well-trained human being.”

“We have to use body search and body scanners only against seriously suspicious passengers,” he said.

Yeffet indicated that it is unnecessary to search innocent people, which he said make up about 99.9 percent of air travelers.

Instead, security should be focused on determining whether an individual is suspicious by intensively interviewing the person before he or she boards the plane.

“We at El Al have used the hand/body search for so many years, but we did it only to suspicious passengers that were interviewed by us,” said Yeffet. “We asked the questions and we were able to determine that there was something wrong with a passenger.”

Yeffet pointed out that El Al’s security personnel are highly trained in reading people’s physical actions as indicators of behavior.

“If you are bona fide, you have no problems answering [questions]” he said. “If you want to hide from us, we see the physical changes in your face--suddenly you raise your voice, suddenly your Adam’s apple jumps up and down, you’re nervous. Then we ask, 'Why are you nervous? I'm doing it for your safety sir or Ma'am.’”

Using that approach, “You can see how fast and easy we survive, and we put the hand on the right people that are trying to blow up an aircraft or to commit suicide,” he said.

According to Yeffet, unless they are suspicious, “most passengers” cooperate with El Al’s security approach of interviewing every passenger.

The former El Al security chief criticized the TSA’s decision to allow passengers to opt out of being body scanned and endure a pat-down instead, saying that this option makes body scanners irrelevant.

Yeffet also said that technology, such as X-ray machines, already failed to deter the Pan Am Lockerbie bombing, the Sept. 11 attacks, and the attempted Christmas Day underwear bomber, among other terrorists, by allowing them to go through security check points with illicit materials.

"I don’t need a scanner,” said Yeffet. “I don’t mean to insult anyone. There is what is called hand search. We take you to a special room where you are interviewed by security experts. If we notice any suspicion, we search you from the head to the toe. We won’t leave one piece on your body that we do not do a hand search on. Why do we have to spend millions of dollars on these body scanners?”

At El Al, Yeffet formulated the airline's total security system, developing passenger- profiling and passenger-screening programs and training security personnel.

Yeffet is also a retired senior intelligence director for the Israeli Secret Service, where he was responsible for the security of all Israeli embassies, consulates and delegations around the world.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by jms62

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_92843805/

damned if you do, damned if you don't

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I'd rather be asked a few questions than go through a physical assault. We don't fly that much - only twice in the past 8 years. If there's a need to fly somewhere, we'll opt out until they change their procedure. And that, of course, is my right. Despite the myriad of millions plowed into this body scan technology, I doubt it's going to stick around long.

Former Israeli Airline Security Chief: U.S. Needs to Profile Air Passengers Tuesday, November 16, 2010
By Edwin Mora

(CNSNews.com) - As criticism mounts over the use of full-body scanners and physical pat-downs at U.S. airports, the former security director for Israel’s national airline told CNSNews.com that airline security in America is an “illusion,” and that the United States should adopt El Al’s passenger profiling approach to ensure safety.

According to Isaac Yeffet, the former security chief for El Al Israel Airlines, the United States should adopt El Al’s security approach of ensuring that every passenger is interviewed by a well-trained agent before check-in, a move that involves profiling passengers, which he said is not discriminatory.

El Al is considered by most security analysts as the most secure airline in the world because of its track-record in deterring hijackings and terror plots. The airline has been free of terrorist attacks for about 30 years and it has experienced only one hijacking in its history. Global Traveler magazine has named El Al as number one in its Best Airline for Security for the last three years in a row.

Nonetheless, critics of American airliners adopting El Al’s security approach say it would violate passengers’ civil rights by allowing some passengers to be more intensely scrutinized than others.

Yeffet said that U.S. airliners should implement “exactly the same [security] system” as El Al.

“Yes, profiling,” he said. “Profiling is not that I am choosing that I want to interview them. We don’t have discrimination [at El Al]. Every passenger--I don’t care who he or she is--has to be interviewed by security. We have to be polite. We know how to ask questions.”

“The TSA [Transportation Safety Administration in USA] wants to tell me we now have security in this country--this is an illusion,” he said. “It’s not security. It’s about time that we are proactive and reactive. In this country we fear reactive, we don’t do anything to be proactive.”

When asked if he thought the use of full-body scanners created an illusion of security, Yeffet said, "Yes, they are a small part of the entire system that you use to check a passenger if he is suspicious."

The TSA, a Department of Homeland Security agency, has put in place a procedure for a physical pat-down of airline passengers as part of an overall increase in security and has also ramped-up the use electronic (x-ray) body scanners at airports.

The TSA has decided that if a passenger opts out of going through the body scanner or if the scanner shows something suspicious, a security officer will do a pat-down.

Reacting to TSA’s move to step-up air security, Yeffet said, “Technology in general can never replace a qualified and well-trained human being.”

“We have to use body search and body scanners only against seriously suspicious passengers,” he said.

Yeffet indicated that it is unnecessary to search innocent people, which he said make up about 99.9 percent of air travelers.

Instead, security should be focused on determining whether an individual is suspicious by intensively interviewing the person before he or she boards the plane.

“We at El Al have used the hand/body search for so many years, but we did it only to suspicious passengers that were interviewed by us,” said Yeffet. “We asked the questions and we were able to determine that there was something wrong with a passenger.”

Yeffet pointed out that El Al’s security personnel are highly trained in reading people’s physical actions as indicators of behavior.

“If you are bona fide, you have no problems answering [questions]” he said. “If you want to hide from us, we see the physical changes in your face--suddenly you raise your voice, suddenly your Adam’s apple jumps up and down, you’re nervous. Then we ask, 'Why are you nervous? I'm doing it for your safety sir or Ma'am.’”

Using that approach, “You can see how fast and easy we survive, and we put the hand on the right people that are trying to blow up an aircraft or to commit suicide,” he said.

According to Yeffet, unless they are suspicious, “most passengers” cooperate with El Al’s security approach of interviewing every passenger.

The former El Al security chief criticized the TSA’s decision to allow passengers to opt out of being body scanned and endure a pat-down instead, saying that this option makes body scanners irrelevant.

Yeffet also said that technology, such as X-ray machines, already failed to deter the Pan Am Lockerbie bombing, the Sept. 11 attacks, and the attempted Christmas Day underwear bomber, among other terrorists, by allowing them to go through security check points with illicit materials.

"I don’t need a scanner,” said Yeffet. “I don’t mean to insult anyone. There is what is called hand search. We take you to a special room where you are interviewed by security experts. If we notice any suspicion, we search you from the head to the toe. We won’t leave one piece on your body that we do not do a hand search on. Why do we have to spend millions of dollars on these body scanners?”

At El Al, Yeffet formulated the airline's total security system, developing passenger- profiling and passenger-screening programs and training security personnel.

Yeffet is also a retired senior intelligence director for the Israeli Secret Service, where he was responsible for the security of all Israeli embassies, consulates and delegations around the world.

If we could adopt and implement El Al's approach, that would obviously be 100x better than what we are doing right now. I doubt we could ever do it as good as the Israelis but if we could come anywhere close we would be in good shape.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think every passenger should go thru the screener, their bags as well. don't like it, don't fly. no exceptions. that way, no one can say they were singled out, there's no racial profiling, and no one is skipped/missed. anyone can be a threat regardless of their looks.

I agree with you %1000 on your statement.

[Princess Doreen]

Cool!

Purty sure this new system of protecting us will go south.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by notyep59

why don't you just copy and paste the part about the healthcare the american public didn't want, because it seems to find its way into most of your posts. and i'm sure you're not racist because you have how many black friends?? i know you hate this president. i know how you're voting in 2012. one thing i don't know about you is if you are an idiot or not. but i BELIEVE you are.

Womp Womp Womp. Also it is now of your business who I have for friends. You want to try and call me racist go right ahead. I BELIEVE YOUR A NO GOOD ROTTEN TO THE CORE MORON. If you dont want to read what I have to say instead of sitting on your brain if you have one put me on the ignore list imbecile.

[notyep59]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Womp Womp Womp. Also it is now of your business who I have for friends. You want to try and call be racist go right ahead. I BELIEVE YOUR A NO GOOD ROTTEN TO THE CORE MORON. If you dont want to read what I have to say instead of sitting on your brain if you have one put me on the ignore list imbecile.

finally, a post where you didn't mention health care. good boy!!!!ah, but you had to go and throw the ignore list line in there, didn't you?? and if it was my business who you have for friends, i would probably end up homeless.god, i hope he understood that, because i don't want to explain it later.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by notyep59

finally, a post where you didn't mention health care. good boy!!!!ah, but you had to go and throw the ignore list line in there, didn't you?? and if it was my business who you have for friends, i would probably end up homeless.god, i hope he understood that, because i don't want to explain it later.

Trust me God has a nice spot already reserved for me in the blues skies. Im not a boy but a man.