Shireffs-- Zenyatta is HOY - Page 2

randallscott35 · #21 11-07-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I was away from the computer all day Friday.... Spent noon-7pm at the racino. But thanks for the concern.

Cannon Shell · #22 11-07-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Zenyatta 6/5-1-0, Blame 5/4-1-0....Zenyatta wins 5 grade 1's, Blame wins 4. Separated by a nose in BCC...could go either way!

LOL. Yeah Winning the Stephen Foster, Whitney and Classic is the same as winning the Apple Blossom, Clement Hirsh and Lady's Secret. How can anyone possibly make this argument?

Rupert Pupkin · #23 11-07-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Zenyatta 6/5-1-0, Blame 5/4-1-0....Zenyatta wins 5 grade 1's, Blame wins 4. Separated by a nose in BCC...could go either way!

I am a huge Zenyatta fan. I think she's an amazing horse and I think she would have won the race yesterday with a better trip. Despite that, I don't think it's a close call for HOY. I think Blame is a "slam-dunk" for HOY.

You can't compare Zenyatta's graded wins this year to Blame's graded wins. His wins were much more impressive. He was running against much better horses.

If Zenyatta would have run in one of the big races against the boys back east in the summer and would have won, then I think you could make a case for her despite the head defeat yesterday. But that didn't happen.

The Mosses took a gamble by staying out west all year and running against the girls every time. By choosing this course, they were going to have to win the BC Classic to win HOY. They put all their eggs in one basket (the BC Classic). They took the gamble and it almost worked but she came up a head short.

Cannon Shell · #24 11-07-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Um yes it can, the numbers dont lie. If Blame had won the Woodward, actually even ran in it, and performed better in the JCGC it would be lock city, he did not, so he is not lock city.

You are stupid.

Cannon Shell · #25 11-07-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

There is no need to point out anything about a pointless discussion, you take shots all the time and I dont respond that way. Like in the NBA thread....
I have been keeping anything pointless to a minimum. I would be fine with Z winning HOY, no injustice would be done.

You are stupid

Cannon Shell · #26 11-07-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not really making a case for her, other then Blame would be the worst HOY ever...

You are stupid

Cannon Shell · #27 11-07-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

100000% agree with the second sentence. Does anyone beleive she does not win the Personal Ensign in a laugher?

You are stupid. She did not win the Personal Ensign therefore does not credit because she might have.

RockHardTen1985 · #28 11-07-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are stupid. She did not win the Personal Ensign therefore does not credit because she might have.

Chuck, please dont call me stupid.

Rupert Pupkin · #29 11-07-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are stupid. She did not win the Personal Ensign therefore does not credit because she might have.

Cannon, What did you think of Zenyatta's race yesterday? Were you impressed? Did you think she would have won if she didn't have to tap on the brakes turning for home?

Indian Charlie · #30 11-07-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have been keeping anything pointless to a minimum.

Says the poster with 5377 posts in about fifteen months.

Cannon Shell · #31 11-07-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Cannon, What did you think of Zenyatta's race yesterday? Were you impressed? Did you think she would have won if she didn't have to tap on the brakes turning for home?

I thought she ran great. I didn't see anything wrong with her trip especially after watching the over head view. If I was going to criticize the rider for anything it would be for not warming her up more before the race. After standing around digging holes instead of warming up it isnt really surprising that she was slow into stride.

Danzig · #32 11-07-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Um yes it can, the numbers dont lie. If Blame had won the Woodward, actually even ran in it, and performed better in the JCGC it would be lock city, he did not, so he is not lock city.

blame didn't avoid anyone in the woodward. he'd already defeated the horse everyone thought was the top 'capper this year.

as for zenyatta, i can't blame her trainer for his opinion. however, her owners cost her a shot at the award with their cowardly campaign. any other horse running her season this year would get laughed at if they dared suggest it was hoy worthy. but it's zenyatta, so people get all freaking emotional instead of using the logic they'd apply to any other horse.

the award isn't for most photogenic, or best quirky habits. it's for HOY, and blame is the one who took on top horses much of the year, unlike the mare who didn't face a gr 1 winner all year until yesterday.

Cannon Shell · #33 11-07-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Chuck, please dont call me stupid.

Stop saying stupid things.

prudery · #34 11-07-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I thought she ran great. I didn't see anything wrong with her trip especially after watching the over head view. If I was going to criticize the rider for anything it would be for not warming her up more before the race. After standing around digging holes instead of warming up it isnt really surprising that she was slow into stride.

Dig this

She never warms up conventionally before a race.

Whatever your opinion of this is, it is standard procedure for them to not have a gallop to the post like most.

She never has done differently..

Cannon Shell · #35 11-07-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery

Dig this

She never warms up conventionally before a race.

Whatever your opinion of this is, it is standard procedure for them to not have a gallop to the post like most.

She never has done differently..

She also never runs in 40 degree weather does she?

DaTruth · #36 11-07-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Says the poster with 5377 posts in about fifteen months.

I'm excited that I was discussing Zenyatta losing the Classic when I made my 1,000th post.

DaTruth · #37 11-07-2010, 01:27 PM

It comes as no great surprise that her connections still think she is HOY. Less defensible are the racing journalists who said she was HOY regardless of what happened on Saturday.

#38 11-07-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are stupid

Hey I'm part of this forum. I don't want to be left out. Aren't I stupid too?

Cannon Shell · #39 11-07-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Hey I'm part of this forum. I don't want to be left out. Aren't I stupid too?

Yes

SCUDSBROTHER · #40 11-07-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

It comes as no great surprise that her connections still think she is HOY. Less defensible are the racing journalists who said she was HOY regardless of what happened on Saturday.

Who said that? I'll be honest, If she beats Blame by a head, I don't think she would of gotten the vote. I think she needed to dominate Blame. If people think this close defeat cost her the HOY, I think they're mistaken. It would of been close, but I think Blame still would of gotten HOY.