3rd great filly from last year running today!

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

The same RVW that Z crushed in the BCC?

No doubt about it: she was LUCKY to beat him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

No doubt about it: she was LUCKY to beat him.

I think it's only fair that she fly over to Europe to meet him on his home court. I mean, you seem to think Rachel Alexandra should have done the same last Fall....so surely you are disappointed in Zenyatta not running against Rip Van Winkle at Royal Ascot.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think it's only fair that she fly over to Europe to meet him on his home court. I mean, you seem to think Rachel Alexandra should have done the same last Fall....so surely you are disappointed in Zenyatta not running against Rip Van Winkle at Royal Ascot.

Is Dahoss or Mike the EUNUCH coaching you? This was the BC CLASSIC after all. Those that wanted to show up, DID, and got their butts kicked. Those that didn't, only have their supporters to offer excuses. Everything else is just rhetoric from the 'LOSING' side. I know it sucks being on the wrong side. I know it sucks waiting for the BIG HORSE to lose. I know it sucks watching RA spit it out.

What's really interesting, however, is that you're now also pushing the Beyers on TURF. How'd they do with Dear Contender? Didn't quite make on Trips and Traps, either, huh?

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

No, this RVW is running on his preferred surface and without foot problems.

So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Is Dahoss or Mike the EUNUCH coaching you? This was the BC CLASSIC after all. Those that wanted to show up, DID, and got their butts kicked. Those that didn't, only have their supporters to offer excuses. Everything else is just rhetoric from the 'LOSING' side. I know it sucks being on the wrong side. I know it sucks waiting for the BIG HORSE to lose. I know it sucks watching RA spit it out.

What's really interesting, however, is that you're now also pushing the Beyers on TURF. How'd they do with Dear Contender? Didn't quite make on Trips and Traps, either, huh?

How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Different things work. The difference is that you are so dogmatic that you refuse to understand this and insist on mocking others for seeing many sides to the game.

Nice deflection on your Zenyatta nonsense. Then again, you can't answer the question, because all it does is further expose your built-in hypocracy.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?

You don't see Zenyatta playing fairly and meeting him at Royal Ascot.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?

How do we know this? It can't be because John Sheriffs says so, as anything that's come out of his mouth lately has been utter nonsense.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Different things work. The difference is that you are so dogmatic that you refuse to understand this and insist on mocking others for seeing many sides to the game.

Nice deflection on your Zenyatta nonsense. Then again, you can't answer the question, because all it does is further expose your built-in hypocracy.

I was in the office all day yesterday and have no idea about what happened at BEL. I'm not dogmatic-- I bet all sorts of trips. Clearly, you can't believe that someone who uses no figures, of any kind, yet has a competitive opinion would be 'dogmatic'? Is Mariano 'dogmatic' because he only relies on a single pitch?

I also don't think I mock any more than anyone else here.

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.

This is as laughable as it is disgraceful.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.

Now that I have the time to answer this crap in more detail.....

I work for NYRA, so of course I promote what we do, but whether you like it or not, I also happen to believe in what we are doing, whether they are the best of times or less so. I neither lie to nor deceive people....nor would I ever. As for the BEYER/DRF shill comment.....this is utter BS. I have used the DRF Formulator product for many years, and always felt it was the best available product, and am proud if in any way I have helped even one horseplayer by bringing it to their attention. As for Beyer, please find ONE other public handicapper that intelligently disagrees with specific figures, on the air, even 1/10th as much as I do. Just because I say why, and do it in a fair manner, does not mean I am shilling or defending them. And, feel free to ask Beyer if there is anyone that discusses differences of opinion over figures more with him than I do outside of his business associates.

As for the rest, where you suggest what I do has been suppressed....this is the biggest pile of sh it you have ever laid on any message board....and that's saying something. I am forthright in my discussion of races, trips, and rides, and I dare you to prove otherwise with actual examples.

This was a disgraceful cheap shot on your part....and frankly you should know a lot better. I don't care if someone doesn't like my style, or agree with my opinion, or even like me....but if you are going to criticize me, do yourself the favor of doing it with at least some accuracy.

[Danzig]

now even goldikova can't be discussed without zenyatta being mentioned?! good god, some people are stuck in a rut.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

now even goldikova can't be discussed without zenyatta being mentioned?! good god, some people are stuck in a rut.

Well, she is an interesting counterexample of how an owner that is confident in his ( or her ) horse can campaign it....especially if they aren't afraid to lose.

Then again, Rachel Alexandra already demonstrated that as well last year.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I also don't think I mock any more than anyone else here.

You can't be this self-deluded. I think if I ever saw a thread in The Paddock that didn't include you repeatedly using the about someone or something, my head would explode.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You can't be this self-deluded. I think if I ever saw a thread in The Paddock that didn't include you repeatedly using the about someone or something, my head would explode.

Shouldn't you really be more concerned with the continued use of the
whenever you hit one of those 3:1 pick3's or 4's, rather than focusing on what I'm doing?

btw, where was my for that 31:1 shot?

Clearly, you jest, Joey. So now use of smilies is being held against posters?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Shouldn't you really be more concerned with the continued use of the
whenever you hit one of those 3:1 pick3's or 4's, rather than focusing on what I'm doing?

btw, where was my for that 31:1 shot?

Clearly, you jest, Joey. So now use of smilies is being held against posters?

Your shtick is extremely tired. Anything valuable you have to say is drowned by a sea of unnecessary jabs and attacks. Just like that 31-1 winner was drowned in Selections by about 400 missed "one number" exactas.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Your shtick is extremely tired. Anything valuable you have to say is drowned by a sea of unnecessary jabs and attacks. Just like that 31-1 winner was drowned in Selections by about 400 missed "one number" exactas.

400? That's about what your pick3/4 combos look like for a given day. Remember, it's all about properly structuring your tickets.

And, actually, at least during one of those sequences, when you were taking multiple BOWS for hitting a 20 number or whatever pik3 or 4 that got you back 8:1 (or something like that), I hit a 14:1 one number. Of course, I didn't feel the need to take bows. And you're forgetting my one number 50:1 Lloydobler exacta. I get it, Joey: you don't like me. And you think that you're a better handicapper than me. On the other hand, you provide quite a bit of amusement with your post race comments. Sort of like the Eric Donovan of the board, if you will.

Shouldn't you be hard at work putting together one of those multi-race multi-number, super lucrative combos?

chuckle

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

400? That's about what your pick3/4 combos look like for a given day. Remember, it's all about properly structuring your tickets.

And, actually, at least during one of those sequences, when you were taking multiple BOWS for hitting a 20 number or whatever pik3 or 4 that got you back 8:1 (or something like that), I hit a 14:1 one number. Of course, I didn't feel the need to take bows. And you're forgetting my one number 50:1 Lloydobler exacta. I get it, Joey: you don't like me. And you think that you're a better handicapper than me. On the other hand, you provide quite a bit of amusement with your post race comments. Sort of like the Eric Donovan of the board, if you will.

Shouldn't you be hard at work putting together one of those multi-race multi-number, super lucrative combos?

chuckle

No one likes you. And this is a perfect example of why. You take repeated shots at how I play and the tickets I cash, when I never brought up handicapping or suggested I was better than anyone. Multiple bows? You've got issues. I say thank you, once, if people choose to say congrats on a hit. The day when I start caring about what some miserable degenerate thinks of my plays is the day I stop playing the horses. So thanks for the advice, but I'm good.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Green Bananas?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Green Bananas?

Instead of being a man and apologizing for your disgraceful cheap shots you pick up that I had the wrong race ( it was the 4th ).

You're a sorry excuse for a human being.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Instead of being a man and apologizing for your disgraceful cheap shots you pick up that I had the wrong race ( it was the 4th ).

You're a sorry excuse for a human being.

Are you off your meds? I don't watch all the NYRA races. Isn't it easier to ask rather than firing up replays?

Moreover, what do I need to apologize for: having a different opinion that you or some of the others here?


I get a kick out of you guys. You're calling me a 'sorry excuse', Joey has me being a 'degenerate', I'm also 'miserable'. Sucks being me, huh?