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Old 06-13-2009, 10:45 PM
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Yeah - tell me all the 3-year-old fillies from the last 15 years who've had a better first half of their 3yo filly season than she has had. Perhaps Sillverbulletday .. but probably not.

And - she pretty much did it all for a trainer who losses about triple the takeout from a huge sample size.
Let me take that Mr. Krone comment back.

How about Ms. Read instead?

Did you catch Hovdey's article on the English Triple Crown the other day?

That line containing, "...the Derby's (rhymes with Arby's)..." was killer.

Something to aspire to anways. Peace. We out.
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Evening ATTIRE was a star. Maybe the last one for a while.
right on man. loved that horse and i have the hat to prove it.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:46 AM
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There are "neat" horses like Einstein, but even in the short time I have been watching racing there has been a significant drop in the quality of horses running - especially in the older male and female divisions.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:56 AM
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Steve that isnt exactly a murders row
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:03 AM
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Steve that isnt exactly a murders row
No, but combined they do represent multiple/numerous Gr. I wins, consistant stake starts, Breeders Cup wins/appearances, etc., stretched over a number of seasons. (And at least three of them are eminently likeable ).
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:09 AM
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No, but combined they do represent multiple/numerous Gr. I wins, consistant stake starts, Breeders Cup wins/appearances, etc., stretched over a number of seasons. (And at least three of them are eminently likeable ).
Outside of Indian Blessing and Kip Deville they make up a bunch of 2nd raters that simply stuck around. The others have risen in stature because of the defection of better horses. It is a bunch of Jamie Moyers, nice careers, you go see them if you get free tickets but soon forgotten.
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:10 AM
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Outside of Indian Blessing and Kip Deville they make up a bunch of 2nd raters that simply stuck around. The others have risen in stature because of the defection of better horses. It is a bunch of Jamie Moyers, nice careers, you go see them if you get free tickets but soon forgotten.



what are you, a mets fan??
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:10 AM
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Outside of Indian Blessing and Kip Deville they make up a bunch of 2nd raters that simply stuck around. The others have risen in stature because of the defection of better horses. It is a bunch of Jamie Moyers, nice careers, you go see them if you get free tickets but soon forgotten.
So am I not the only one who isn't a Commentator fan?

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Old 06-12-2009, 09:39 AM
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Outside of Indian Blessing and Kip Deville they make up a bunch of 2nd raters that simply stuck around. The others have risen in stature because of the defection of better horses. It is a bunch of Jamie Moyers, nice careers, you go see them if you get free tickets but soon forgotten.

Kip Deville gets 1st rate status, yet Einstien gets relegated to second tier?

I do not see that big of a gap between these two horses, espically not enough of a difference to call one a 2nd rater, while giving the other "star" status.

Einstien is no Satchel Paige, but calling him a Jamie Moyer is an insult. Maybe a Gaylord Perry comparison might fit...
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:58 AM
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There are "neat" horses like Einstein, but even in the short time I have been watching racing there has been a significant drop in the quality of horses running - especially in the older male and female divisions.
It does seem like a lot fewer horses are actually progressing from the 3YO to 4YO seasons, right? And by progressing I mean two things: actually racing as an older horse and/or actually improving once a horse turns four.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:41 AM
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It does seem like a lot fewer horses are actually progressing from the 3YO to 4YO seasons, right? And by progressing I mean two things: actually racing as an older horse and/or actually improving once a horse turns four.
it's been that way, but i think while sales are down and breeders are gun shy you'll see more stay on the track.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:52 AM
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Can we go back when they ran the Preakness and Belmont the same day
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:04 AM
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There are "neat" horses like Einstein, but even in the short time I have been watching racing there has been a significant drop in the quality of horses running - especially in the older male and female divisions.
that may be ,but if owners don't run the talented horses into their 4-5 year old season then geldings and( mares considered no good to breed to) is all you are going to get in the older divisions. I think MTB has a good future if he stays healthy.
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Old 06-12-2009, 04:41 PM
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Horses in the headlines of DRF this morning. But there aren't any stars in the game...

KIP DEVILLE: Back for the Poker..
http://www.drf.com/news/article/104573.html

Also featured in Grening's report.. Benny the Bull, Driven By Success, Lime Rickey..


COMMENTATOR: Prepping for the Whitney..
http://www.drf.com/news/article/104549.html


INDIAN BLESSING: Prepping for the A Gleam..
http://www.drf.com/news/article/104587.html

Also featured in Anderson's report.. Obrigado (22nd stake start in last 24 outsings), Life is Sweet..


EINSTEIN: Looking for third surface Gr. I in a row..
http://www.drf.com/news/article/104568.html

Also featured in the McGee piece.. International star Asiatic Boy makes his North American debut..


MUSIC NOTE: Part of the kooky 3 horse entry in the Phipps..
http://www.drf.com/news/article/104590.html

Commentator is a laimo with a lot of talent.

Einstein wouldn't win a nice listed race in Europe nevermind a Group 3

Kip Deville is the Okie bred version of Lure I guess lol

Music Note is a plodding slug

Indian Blessing is certainly a worthy G1 filly and a pleasure to watch

Get a grip Steve this a a sorry list.. You forgot Premium Tap and Grasshopper..How could you?
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Old 06-12-2009, 06:11 PM
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Commentator is a laimo with a lot of talent.

Einstein wouldn't win a nice listed race in Europe nevermind a Group 3

Kip Deville is the Okie bred version of Lure I guess lol

Music Note is a plodding slug

Indian Blessing is certainly a worthy G1 filly and a pleasure to watch

Get a grip Steve this a a sorry list.. You forgot Premium Tap and Grasshopper..How could you?
Freddy, do you have any hobbies that you actually enjoy? Besides call girls I mean...
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Old 06-12-2009, 06:27 PM
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Freddy, do you have any hobbies that you actually enjoy? Besides call girls I mean...

Do you realize I listen to 12 plus hours of ATR a week watch at least 40 races a day.. I love racing as much as anyone Steve. Your love for the game is wonderful as is many of us.. How you can think that list represents anything special is disheartening. Could Einstein get with in 15 lengths of Candy Ride, Would Music Note be close to a Winning Colors. Kip Keno couldn't have qualified for the BC mile in 87..Miesque would have been hosed down before he got to the wire.. Come on and tell it like it is.. Racing hasn't had a real star that wasn't Media made in a while.. Mind you I loved Smarty to death but even he was a bit of a paper tiger.

Best horse I have seen in a while is Zarkava..Now that filly was a star
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I agree with Steve. The "I was there" card is cool the first few times, and then it just gets old...and makes whoever's saying it seem old too. We get it, the newer horses can never compare to the old....move on already. Some of us appreciate the history, and there's always going to be the wing nuts that think the latest horse is the "best ever", without a clue as to the history of what they're talking about. Educating the younger fans (in a nice way) is the way to go, instead of alienating them...JMO.
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Do you realize I listen to 12 plus hours of ATR a week watch at least 40 races a day.. I love racing as much as anyone Steve. Your love for the game is wonderful as is many of us.. How you can think that list represents anything special is disheartening. Could Einstein get with in 15 lengths of Candy Ride, Would Music Note be close to a Winning Colors. Kip Keno couldn't have qualified for the BC mile in 87..Miesque would have been hosed down before he got to the wire.. Come on and tell it like it is.. Racing hasn't had a real star that wasn't Media made in a while.. Mind you I loved Smarty to death but even he was a bit of a paper tiger.

Best horse I have seen in a while is Zarkava..Now that filly was a star
It doesn't bother me that the best now are 10 lengths short of the best then. That list represents a variety of horses that have stuck around, have very credible resumes and fan recognition. They all meet criteria to be a star runner in today's environment. What they are versus the best of yesteryear isn't germane to the initial point being made.

Just because nothing I see in the theater these days holds a candle to the eras that produced Citizen Kane, Gone With the Wind, The Bicycle Thief, All About Eve or Sweet Smell of Success doesn't mean there haven't been good films made since that were enjoyable.

The experience of the moment is as good as you choose to make it. And I know you love racing...
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It doesn't bother me that the best now are 10 lengths short of the best then. That list represents a variety of horses that have stuck around, have very credible resumes and fan recognition. They all meet criteria to be a star runner in today's environment. What they are versus the best of yesteryear isn't germane to the initial point being made.

Just because nothing I see in the theater these days holds a candle to the eras that produced Citizen Kane, Gone With the Wind, The Bicycle Thief, All About Eve or Sweet Smell of Success doesn't mean there haven't been good films made since that were enjoyable.

The experience of the moment is as good as you choose to make it. And I know you love racing...

Sure there are OK movies/horses on the tracks but they aren't stars..In the case of Kip they are bearly squares .. Commentator needs 8-12 weeks between starts and has never won in my memory when he wasnt afford an easy lead and has never won when headed. I get as much pleasure from Reptilian Smarts as I do from a slug like Music Note. At the very least Reptilian fills the box every few weeks and makes a boring Feb. 12 bearable. Watching that one paced Music Note plod past a few distance challenged fillies is painful in a G1. Stars are surely the wrong description. You are fishing and frankly your audience aint buying it.. They know better!
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It doesn't bother me that the best now are 10 lengths short of the best then. That list represents a variety of horses that have stuck around, have very credible resumes and fan recognition. They all meet criteria to be a star runner in today's environment. What they are versus the best of yesteryear isn't germane to the initial point being made.

Just because nothing I see in the theater these days holds a candle to the eras that produced Citizen Kane, Gone With the Wind, The Bicycle Thief, All About Eve or Sweet Smell of Success doesn't mean there haven't been good films made since that were enjoyable.

The experience of the moment is as good as you choose to make it. And I know you love racing...
The part in bold makes me ask you this question again. If all that matters is that a horse meets the criteria of being a star in today's game and a comparison to the best of yesteryear isn't important, why are you against changing the TC? The new TC runners (and eventual winners) will be the best in that environment and it shouldn't matter that they aren't comparable to Secretariat and Affirmed right?
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