UPDATE: Dunkirk surgery for left hind condylar fracture..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

The indisputable fact that between 100-200 mare owners plan their matings without regard to Unbridled Song's history of brittle offspring has nothing to do with pointing out that it should not surprise anyone that soundness in a sire has an impact on his offspring. I suspect that you could find this notion in a Genetics 101 textbook.

How dare I point that out! Glad you took it upon yourself to correct me with a rude insult, while reiterating the concept yourself (which is okay, right Darwin?

[Linny]

That track was rock hard and though it looked like it was harrowed, it was only open about 1.5 inches, according to someone who walked on it.
Others will come out of Saturday's card injured, but if they are less than stakes status we probably won't know about it.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...

sad news. i loved the heart he showed saturday. he won me to his corner. hope he comes back better than ever.

[Danzig]

a shame, but not a surprise.

meanwhile, quality road is back to work, and music note is heading for her first start since the bc...

http://www.drf.com/news/article/104483.html

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Linny

That track was rock hard and though it looked like it was harrowed, it was only open about 1.5 inches, according to someone who walked on it.
Others will come out of Saturday's card injured, but if they are less than stakes status we probably won't know about it.

Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?
The 4x5 Raise A Native is never a cross for soundness . That and the hard surface was a recipe for disaster . Hope the other runners on the card are ok .

Edit: Pedigreequery informs that his dam, millionairess Secret Status, has produced 5 foals that have started a total of 13 times . Including the unraced 2004 son of Storm Cat, Objectivity, that sold for $6.3 mil.

[hockey2315]

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?
The 4x5 Raise A Native is never a cross for soundness . That and the hard surface was a recipe for disaster . Hope the other runners on the card are ok .

I think that statement is way too broad.I could probably look in the form tomorrow and find 10 horses on any given card who are bred 3-5x3-5 to Raise A Native. I could never prove how sound any of them are but my point is that breeding is so common I'm sure there have to be some who are sound.It is no different than judging a horses distance ability based only on breeding and ignoring his on track performance.

Too bad about Dunkirk.I know it's easy to say these things happen but it does.At least it didn't occur on the track in front of everyone watching.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...

People have been saying this all day but I haven't found a link yet. I just looked on TTimes, Equibase, Bloodhorse, DRF and even ESPN and see no story on any of them. Anyone?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

5-2-2-0....No stakes wins....25K sounds like a good stud fee

They couldn't get anything close to $25k. As you said, he has no stakes wins. They would be lucky to get $10k.

[letswastemoney]

Which horse is the most durable Unbridled's Song offspring? Are there any that have lasted a long time?

[letswastemoney]

Octave, now that I think of it. She didn't race for a long time, but I don't remember her getting any major injuries

[Indian Charlie]

I just read he's aiming for a rematch with the 'birds' in the Travers.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?

You realize they run races outdoors, right?. There was nearly 2 inches of rain that fell in the prior 30 hours to Friday midnight. The crew had already been working for 12 hours when the races started at 11:30 Saturday. They did an unbelievable job getting that track into good and then fast shape. Please try to not let your ridiculous surface agenda spew spill out here. There may be people who actually think there's some credibility to it.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I just read he's aiming for a rematch with the 'birds' in the Travers.

The report comes from a reliable source. I'd be very surprised if it isn't accurate.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I heard a report that the weather in NY City was "wild out" at around 2:30 ish in the morning last night.

Can anyone confirm?

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He didn't come out and say he was afraid there would be an announcement of an injury TODAY


Durrrrrrrrrrr. Duh durrrrrrrrrrrr

Cant afford your medication this month?

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Which horse is the most durable Unbridled's Song offspring? Are there any that have lasted a long time?

That's a good question and what I found out using the pedigreequery site is that his offspring are no less durable than AP Indy.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...l%20Horses&cf=

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...l%20Horses&cf=

The links above are sorted by record.Most of the horses near the top are geldings.When sorted by earnings there is very little overall difference bretween the two sires as far as durability.

I believe there are blanket assumptions made about certain sires when the progeny that standout are injured.Especially the sires who had highly publicized injuries themselves.

Well the links I copied and pasted didn't take. To view choose "progeny" under the reports column.

[Kasept]

Tuesday 6/9 Update (8:25am):

Reports confirm that Dunkirk has a non-displaced condylar fracture in his left hind. Surgery today...

[Danzig]

i'd imagine that unbridled song gets labelled as producing unsoundness because he was an early retiree, and many of his best are as well-but that may be a result of demand for his sons at stud, moreso than any facts about unsoundness. as soon as they show any real promise (rockport harbor) the talk starts. as soon as there is a setback, more often then not, the decision is made to retire the horse rather than risk more injury, or more losses.
however, he had a couple horses on the the derby trail this year-old fashioned didn't make it into the gate, and now dunkirk is said to be injured. dunkirk also has very few lifetime starts-which i feel makes it laughable to say that the rigors of racing are to blame for his injury-he hasn't exactly done a lot of racing.


but i do find it funny in an ironic sort of way that people talk about breeding unsoundness...but when a good horse who has also exhibited fragility is retired, there are many who say well, just breed the right mare to him, it'll be ok. ghostzapper is a good case in point-when he went to stud, and i questioned why anyone would want to send a mare to a horse that could only manage three/four starts a year, my sanity was questioned. he was a fast horse, so unsoundness be damned was the gist of it.

[cowgirlintexas]

Look at Omnitraders record.... Wow! 119 starts!

Did notice quite a few never even made it to the track. Also Zoftig had two foals and neither made it to the races.. too bad.