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Old 04-09-2009, 01:13 PM
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Paragallo is far from the norm in terms of horse owners or breeders. Far more people go out of their way to take care of their horses than neglect them but those are not really news stories so you dont hear about them. The fact is Ernie is a sociopath and anything that he does should not be surprising.
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Old 04-09-2009, 01:27 PM
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I pray for the horses and I do hope Mr Paragallo can receive the help he needs .
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Old 04-09-2009, 01:56 PM
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Paragallo is far from the norm in terms of horse owners or breeders. Far more people go out of their way to take care of their horses than neglect them but those are not really news stories so you dont hear about them. The fact is Ernie is a sociopath and anything that he does should not be surprising.
You are the ONLY other poster I've seen refer to Paragallo as a sociopath aside from myself. The common perception of a sociopath is a serial killer. Not so. I've worked with several bona fide sociopaths, the garden variety type.
Paragallo is a serial killer of horses, a sociopath.

Good description of a "common sociopath." though.

WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD "sociopath" most people think of serial killers. But although many serial killers are sociopaths, there are far more sociopaths leading ordinary lives. Chances are you know a sociopath. I say "ordinary lives," but what they do is far from ordinary. Sociopaths are people without a conscience. They don't have the normal empathy the rest of us take for granted. They don't feel affection. They don't care about others. But most of them are good observers, and they have learned how to mimic feelings of affection and empathy remarkably well.

Most people with a conscience find it very difficult to even imagine what it would be like to be without one. Combine this with a sociopath's efforts to blend in, and the result is that most sociopaths go undetected.

Because they go undetected, they wreak havoc on their family, on people they work with, and on anyone who tries to be their friend. A sociopath deceives, takes what he (or she) wants, and hurts people without any remorse. Sociopaths don't feel guilty. They don't feel sorry for what they've done. They go through life taking what they want and giving nothing back. They manipulate and deceive and convincingly lie without the slightest second thought. They leave a path of confusion and upset in their wake.

Who are these people? Why are they the way they are? Apparently it has little to do with upbringing. Many studies have been done trying to find out what kind of childhood leads to sociopathy. So far, nothing looks likely. They could be from any kind of family. It is partly genetic, and partly mystery.

But researchers have found that the brains of sociopaths function differently than normal people. And their brains function in a way that makes their emotional life unredeemably shallow. And yet they are capable of mimicking emotions like professional actors.

Sociopaths and psychopaths are the same thing. The original name for this disorder was "psychopath" but the general public and media confused it with "psycho" and "psychotic" so in the 1930s the name was changed to sociopath. Recently the media again caused a misperception that sociopaths were always serial killers, so now many call the condition "antisocial personality disorder (ASPD)."

But some experts think ASPD includes many things like narcissism, paranoia, etc., including sociopathy. And others think ASPD is the same thing as sociopathy, but the diagnostic criteria used to describe and diagnose ASPD is different than sociopathy, so for the purposes of this article, we'll stay with the term "sociopathy."

Sociopaths don't have normal affection with other people. They don't feel attached to others. They don't feel love. And that is why they don't have a conscience. If you harmed someone, even someone you didn't know, you would feel guilt and remorse. Why? Because you have a natural affinity for other human beings. You know how it feels to suffer, to fear, to feel anguish. You care about others.

If you hurt someone you love, the guilt and remorse would be very bad because of your affection for him or her. Take that attachment and affection away and you take away remorse, guilt, and any kind of normal feelings of fairness. That's a sociopath.

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html
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Old 04-09-2009, 01:58 PM
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You are the ONLY other poster I've seen refer to Paragallo as a sociopath aside from myself. The common perception of a sociopath is a serial killer. Not so. I've worked with several bona fide sociopaths, the garden variety type.
Paragallo is a serial killer of horses, a sociopath.

Good description of a "common sociopath." though.

WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD "sociopath" most people think of serial killers. But although many serial killers are sociopaths, there are far more sociopaths leading ordinary lives. Chances are you know a sociopath. I say "ordinary lives," but what they do is far from ordinary. Sociopaths are people without a conscience. They don't have the normal empathy the rest of us take for granted. They don't feel affection. They don't care about others. But most of them are good observers, and they have learned how to mimic feelings of affection and empathy remarkably well.

Most people with a conscience find it very difficult to even imagine what it would be like to be without one. Combine this with a sociopath's efforts to blend in, and the result is that most sociopaths go undetected.

Because they go undetected, they wreak havoc on their family, on people they work with, and on anyone who tries to be their friend. A sociopath deceives, takes what he (or she) wants, and hurts people without any remorse. Sociopaths don't feel guilty. They don't feel sorry for what they've done. They go through life taking what they want and giving nothing back. They manipulate and deceive and convincingly lie without the slightest second thought. They leave a path of confusion and upset in their wake.

Who are these people? Why are they the way they are? Apparently it has little to do with upbringing. Many studies have been done trying to find out what kind of childhood leads to sociopathy. So far, nothing looks likely. They could be from any kind of family. It is partly genetic, and partly mystery.

But researchers have found that the brains of sociopaths function differently than normal people. And their brains function in a way that makes their emotional life unredeemably shallow. And yet they are capable of mimicking emotions like professional actors.

Sociopaths and psychopaths are the same thing. The original name for this disorder was "psychopath" but the general public and media confused it with "psycho" and "psychotic" so in the 1930s the name was changed to sociopath. Recently the media again caused a misperception that sociopaths were always serial killers, so now many call the condition "antisocial personality disorder (ASPD)."

But some experts think ASPD includes many things like narcissism, paranoia, etc., including sociopathy. And others think ASPD is the same thing as sociopathy, but the diagnostic criteria used to describe and diagnose ASPD is different than sociopathy, so for the purposes of this article, we'll stay with the term "sociopathy."

Sociopaths don't have normal affection with other people. They don't feel attached to others. They don't feel love. And that is why they don't have a conscience. If you harmed someone, even someone you didn't know, you would feel guilt and remorse. Why? Because you have a natural affinity for other human beings. You know how it feels to suffer, to fear, to feel anguish. You care about others.

If you hurt someone you love, the guilt and remorse would be very bad because of your affection for him or her. Take that attachment and affection away and you take away remorse, guilt, and any kind of normal feelings of fairness. That's a sociopath.

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html
I think we all have posted with a few sociopaths.
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Old 04-09-2009, 06:46 PM
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"My kids will put somebody else in charge [of the stable]," Paragallo said. "I'm going to dedicate myself right now to righting that situation on the farm. That's my goal right now."


Not my fault. My kids fault. Got it? Good.
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:33 PM
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"My kids will put somebody else in charge [of the stable]," Paragallo said. "I'm going to dedicate myself right now to righting that situation on the farm. That's my goal right now."


Not my fault. My kids fault. Got it? Good.

see--when he lost his license in '05, he put it in two of his kids names, with him being named as agent for paraneck. just a way for him to get around the rules i guess.
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I pray for the horses and I do hope Mr Paragallo can receive the help he needs .
Three squares and a cot?
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Three squares and a cot?
way more than he gave to the poor creatures under his 'care'.
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I would like to formerly say I am a complete idiot for thinking that Paragallo was slightly in the dark about his stock and the conditions of his farm. It is unbelieveable to me how this person could have so much and not even give reasonable care to his stock.. For godsake he owns 50% of the sports hotest stallion and has won 10's of millions racing... My mind simply can comprehend such insanity... I am truly a moron for thinking this beast could be innocent..
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:02 PM
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Don't know if this is posted elsewhere here.


http://www.drf.com/news/article/102892.html
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:05 PM
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'a young stallion on the farm died on Thursday'.


this sick situation makes me so angry. that much more so knowing this guy had the funds to keep these horses well, but CHOSE not to feed them. sickening and disgusting. i guess it's too much to hope he spends time in jail? what are new yorks laws regarding situations like this?
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:08 PM
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I pray for the horses and I do hope Mr Paragallo can receive the help he needs .
i would love to be the one to give him the help he needs.
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I would like to formerly say I am a complete idiot for thinking that Paragallo was slightly in the dark about his stock and the conditions of his farm. It is unbelieveable to me how this person could have so much and not even give reasonable care to his stock.. For godsake he owns 50% of the sports hotest stallion and has won 10's of millions racing... My mind simply can comprehend such insanity... I am truly a moron for thinking this beast could be innocent..
Now say it FORMALLY not FORMERLY ....

Takes a man to own up to his errors, though, and do it FORMALLY ...

That said---to all----animal hoarders which do not see that they have too many animals to properly feed and care for are sociopaths as well ...

There are a few noteworthy ones in the world of equine rescue, and some have gotten busted ...

Some of Paragallo's defenses sound like those of the hoarders--blind to their mistakes-- but the rest sounds like what it is--crap ...

The blame game is a fave of the hoarders, and Ernie does it as well ...

He needs to bail with his wallet and his HIDE on this one ...
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http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns


'it wasn't abuse'.


yes, it was ernie.
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Noon Lexington news reporting Paragallo has been suspended by NYRA for cruelty - can't find details to verify anywhere.

Still less than he deserves.
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Reports indicating Paragallo has been arrested and is being charged formally as part of his sit down with state police and SPCA officials today...
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Noon Lexington news reporting Paragallo has been suspended by NYRA for cruelty - can't find details to verify anywhere.

Still less than he deserves.
That was yesterday.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/102892.html

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...ategory=SPORTS
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That was yesterday.
Didn't see that last night, good deal (until we see who the owners put as the new authorized agent for the racing stable).
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Reports indicating Paragallo has been arrested and is being charged formally as part of his sit down with state police and SPCA officials today...
The state police are a F***ing joke. WTF is a "sit down"????????????????? If that was any of us that had a dog with a cut on his foot with a limp we would of been handcuffed and paraded around. This jerk off starves 177 horses and gets to walk around for days and they dont go get him and **** his ass up, he gets to turn himself in? TRAVESTY
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Reports indicate Paragallo is being charged with 22 counts of cruelty specifically. He is going to be justifiably villified and prosecuted plenty.
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