Big Brown headed to Monmouth

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Than you can't say your the best if you have to duck the Breeders Cup completely or the Classic specifically. What's BB gonna do that weekend??....if they take to the green they'll find a little different gathering than a Saratoga MSW.

They can say what they want but BB's last was far from the efforts in Ky and Fla. The connections want to be crowned but don't have a king who wants to earn it. They gain nothing running in Jersey but the purse....respect is about winning BIG races not earnings. I'm surprised the connections don't get to fill the field with hand picked claimers so BB doesn't crack a sweat.

I was talking about Student Council who will be the first American based finisher at the BC, which probably means 5th place.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If he wants the Brown horse, he knows where to find him come mid september.

I just dont understand how Jackson gets a pass for ducking the BCC and Big Brown's connections get hell for wanting to wait until the championship for a showdown.

I just don't understand how anyone can find it such a bizarre concept to settle the championship on the dirt like every American championship up until now has been settled. If Iavarone calls Jackson out right now for the Clark and Jackson doesn't show up then I will 100% blame Jackson. But while they keep trying to force the race on turf or synthetics while Curlin's connections are willing to square off on dirt it is a joke. IEAH is scared of facing Curlin on the dirt, and they should be.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I just don't understand how anyone can find it such a bizarre concept to settle the championship on the dirt like every American championship up until now has been settled. If Iavarone calls Jackson out right now for the Clark and Jackson doesn't show up then I will 100% blame Jackson. But while they keep trying to force the race on turf or synthetics while Curlin's connections are willing to square off on dirt it is a joke. IEAH is scared of facing Curlin on the dirt, and they should be.

If Curlin is the best horse and they were planning the ARC, surface shouldnt matter.

A win over Big Brown for Curlin, would mean more than another victory in a "grade 1" over the likes of Baracola or Evening Attire.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If Curlin is the best horse and they were planning the ARC, surface shouldnt matter.

A win over Big Brown for Curlin, would mean more than another victory in a "grade 1" over the likes of Baracola or Evening Attire.

Curlin tried the turf and was just good on it, they intelligently abandoned the Arc plans after it. They have absolutely no reason now to have him set foot on it again unless they are serious about a 5yo campaign.

What would mean something would be for Big Brown to come to the dirt and take on Curlin. I beg them, right now, throw down the guantlet and declare they want to meet at the Clark. If Jackson doesn't show up then he's the pu$$y. As long as IEAH keeps trying to, for the first time in American history determine the championship on something other than dirt, then they are being the pussies.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Curlin tried the turf and was just good on it, they intelligently abandoned the Arc plans after it. They have absolutely no reason now to have him set foot on it again unless they are serious about a 5yo campaign.

What would mean something would be for Big Brown to come to the dirt and take on Curlin. I beg them, right now, throw down the guantlet and declare they want to meet at the Clark. If Jackson doesn't show up then he's the pu$$y. As long as IEAH keeps trying to, for the first time in American history determine the championship on something other than dirt, then they are being the pussies.

IEAH didnt set up the championship this way. They are just going along with it.

A shame that the "champ" cant.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

IEAH didnt set up the championship this way. They are just going along with it.

A shame that the "champ" cant.

IEAH wouldn't go to the Travers cause they might get beat.

IEAH wouldn't go to the Woodward cause they would get beat.

IEAH didn't throw down the gauntlet and say they wanted to meet Curlin in the Mass Cap cause they would get beat.

IEAH wouldn't go to the JCGC cause they would get beat.

And IEAH won't say they'll show up at the Clark to settle the score cause they would get beat.

Great "champion". I'll vote for Anak Nakal who beat Big Brown in the test of champions. And I can't wait for Einstein/Red Giant/Cosmonaut/Out of Control to show up on 9/13 and show Big Brown just how sorry this 3yo crop is.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

IEAH wouldn't go to the Travers cause they might get beat.

IEAH wouldn't go to the Woodward cause they would get beat.

IEAH didn't throw down the gauntlet and say they wanted to meet Curlin in the Mass Cap cause they would get beat.

IEAH wouldn't go to the JCGC cause they would get beat.

And IEAH won't say they'll show up at the Clark to settle the score cause they would get beat.

Great "champion". I'll vote for Anak Nakal who beat Big Brown in the test of champions. And I can't wait for Einstein/Red Giant/Cosmonaut/Out of Control to show up on 9/13 and show Big Brown just how sorry this 3yo crop is.

I cant wait for Big Brown to show up on BC day...a place that it looks like the "champ" won't be.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I cant wait for Big Brown to show up on BC day...a place that it looks like the "champ" won't be.

nor the 3yo filly champ and possibly not the defending Distaff champ and maybe not even the runner up. Should be a great BC to see Europe and Japan show how far superior they are to the best in the California claiming ranks.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

nor the 3yo filly champ and possibly not the defending Distaff champ and maybe not even the runner up. Should be a great BC to see Europe and Japan show how far superior they are to the best in the California claiming ranks.

Shipping to california has long been an excuse for east coast based horses to duck the BC when it is out west. Now they have the poly as well.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If he wants the Brown horse, he knows where to find him come mid september.

I just dont understand how Jackson gets a pass for ducking the BCC and Big Brown's connections get hell for wanting to wait until the championship for a showdown.

So let me get this straight.. The onus is on Jackson to send his ALREADY PROVEN champion horse to a fake stakes on a surface they've already smartly abandoned to face a three-year-old whose connections have have constantly spoken out of line.

What the hell is in it for Jackson, and for that matter, what is in it for him to try Curlin on synthetics, where his horse (as many have done) will potentially run lousy and damage his legacy with the idiots who put synthetic on the same level as dirt.

I don't get it. Synthetic surfaces have been a boardwide joke around here, and now when Jackson doesn't want to risk his horse hating the tires, he's being a chicken.

Big Brown's supposed to be a freak on dirt. So what the hell was the problem with the Woodward? And what would've been the problem with the JCGC? You really think that if IEAH had announced that they were going to the JCGC, Curlin wouldn't have been there?

But no, they're taking their "superhorse" to a fraudulent turf stake at Monmouth. Great drama.. You might as well take the freaking horse to Finger Lakes. Either way, they'll be creating a race for you with little to no incentive for anyone else to show up. Big Brown is on the run, and Curlin, who's already proven his mettle, isn't the one who should be chasing.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So let me get this straight.. The onus is on Jackson to send his ALREADY PROVEN champion horse to a fake stakes on a surface they've already smartly abandoned to face a three-year-old whose connections have have constantly spoken out of line.

What the hell is in it for Jackson, and for that matter, what is in it for him to try Curlin on synthetics, where his horse (as many have done) will potentially run lousy and damage his legacy with the idiots who put synthetic on the same level as dirt.

I don't get it. Synthetic surfaces have been a boardwide joke around here, and now when Jackson doesn't want to risk his horse hating the tires, he's being a chicken.

Big Brown's supposed to be a freak on dirt. So what the hell was the problem with the Woodward? And what would've been the problem with the JCGC? You really think that if IEAH had announced that they were going to the JCGC, Curlin wouldn't have been there?

But no, they're taking their "superhorse" to a fraudulent turf stake at Monmouth. Great drama.. You might as well take the freaking horse to Finger Lakes. Either way, they'll be creating a race for you with little to no incentive for anyone else to show up. Big Brown is on the run, and Curlin, who's already proven his mettle, isn't the one who should be chasing.

So let me get this straight....you are up at 3AM now but when out in Toga you have to run home with Mrs Ateam at midnight?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

So let me get this straight....you are up at 3AM now but when out in Toga you have to run home with Mrs Ateam at midnight?

I'm pretty sure that you know that there was a serious reason I was with whatever she wanted to do that weekend.. Way more important than this stuff. Or if you don't know, trust me.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm pretty sure that you know that there was a serious reason I was with whatever she wanted to do that weekend.. Way more important than this stuff. Or if you don't know, trust me.

No, I totally know, just busting your balls for being up at 3 AM.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No, I totally know, just busting your balls for being up at 3 AM.

I just came back from your favorite spot, Down the Hatch. Lost a beer pong game in Double OT. It was brutal.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I just came back from your favorite spot, Down the Hatch. Lost a beer pong game in Double OT. It was brutal.

That sucks dude, I gotta get back there, still undefeated lifetime. You coming up closing weekend? Sorry I totally bitched out Alabama Sunday, just did not want to deal with the spinners and the crappy card.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That sucks dude, I gotta get back there, still undefeated lifetime. You coming up closing weekend? Sorry I totally bitched out Alabama Sunday, just did not want to deal with the spinners and the crappy card.

Probably not in regards to closing weekend, but we'll see how Travers day goes. I figured you were developing a sleeping disorder since you showed up Alabama Day at 3:00, then were M.I.A. on Sunday. It's cool though, I had to catch a 7:20 train back to the city anyway.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Good for him. I was once a big fan of this horse, but now I've had it with the connections. The weasals should put their money where their mouth is and face off with Curlin.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If he wants the Brown horse, he knows where to find him come mid september.

I just dont understand how Jackson gets a pass for ducking the BCC and Big Brown's connections get hell for wanting to wait until the championship for a showdown.

Exactly...........This is Big Brown's year. Let Curlin come to him. Big Brown has already solidified top 3 yr old. When he wins BCC, I can't wait for the backlash when he wins HOY.

[RollerDoc]

For a horse that has won five out of six Grade 1 races including the Derby and Preakness, how is this horse so disrespected by some of you? If you want to disrespect Big Brown's connections, I get that, but this has been a very good quality horse for us to enjoy this year.

Since the Preakness (5-0), he gets so much blustering on here. Here's what happened since then:

How about a pass on The Belmont? Gimme a break. Third race in five weeks and who knows why he didn't show up, just speculation. But it wasn't the same Big Brown. You don't think he would normally beat Da'Tara a horse that finished the Florida Derby when Big Brown was a zipcode past the finish line?

And then there was The Haskell that hardly any on here give him credit for. His chasing down Coal Play to win is very similar to Affirmed chasing the front running Sensitive Prince in the last 100 yards in the Jim Dandy that Laz Barrera considered one of Affirmed's finest efforts. Big Brown did the same thing and gets little credit.


Memo to Big Brown Bashers........."Give it a rest."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

For a horse that has won five out of six Grade 1 races including the Derby and Preakness, how is this horse so disrespected by some of you? If you want to disrespect Big Brown's connections, I get that, but this has been a very good quality horse for us to enjoy this year.

Since the Preakness (5-0), he gets so much blustering on here. Here's what happened since then:

How about a pass on The Belmont? Gimme a break. Third race in five weeks and who knows why he didn't show up, just speculation. But it wasn't the same Big Brown. You don't think he would normally beat Da'Tara a horse that finished the Florida Derby when Big Brown was a zipcode past the finish line?

And then there was The Haskell that hardly any on here give him credit for. His chasing down Coal Play to win is very similar to Affirmed chasing the front running Sensitive Prince in the last 100 yards in the Jim Dandy that Laz Barrera considered one of Affirmed's finest efforts. Big Brown did the same thing and gets little credit.


Memo to Big Brown Bashers........."Give it a rest."

Coal Play = Sensitive Prince? In what regard other than both being thoroughbreds?

The three year old crop sucks, the connections brashness make him very hard to root for, he is already assured of being retired after this year and he simply isnt that talented in terms of past champions. No one is saying that he is a 10 claimer but if you dont understand why people would not buy into the "greatness" of BB or his chances of beating Curlin, I am wondering what you have been following this year?