It happened again! (End tote malfunction)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I dunno the tote system and whatnot just appears out of thin air at racetracks everyday. lol

So you are saying that past posting occurs on a daily basis?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

First off, I'm not from Belgium. Second, I do my share. I write to those that might help. I've written to many racetracks when there are issues. As an example, I've written to Churchill about there ridiculous odds drops at Calder. I've written to Suffolk about the lack of turf fractions. They haven't fixed it, so I don't bet turf races there. I've written to Gulfstream too many times to count about phony times and timer malfunctions, i.e. missing fractions and final times. Ditto for Lone Star. I've also had several letters to the editor published in the DRF. It doesn't mean I can't share my feelings on a message board as well, does it? What more should I do? Take time out from bobsled practice and fly back home and picket at the latest offending track?

It is true that I do SOME wagering off shore. Why? Well, the main reason is because the sport doesn't allow me to bet onshore while residing in Belgium, with the exception of two companies. This despite being very much an American citizen. Guess what, those two don't cover all the tracks. Do you know why I am aware of what is happening at a large number of tracks? Because I bet nearly ALL of them.

I don't know you personally, so I hardly have any dislike for you. What I do dislike is the attitude you displayed the "first" time this happened. As I said before, this isn't the only message board on the net, and there is one very popular one where past posting of wagering has long been a topic.

Why a guy in your position would tell a guy like me, that bets a lot, to stop wagering is beyond me.

A guy in what position? Your attitude that I should personally owe you something because you bet is something that I dislike. You dont bet for my benefit nor does anyone else. You are trying to make money, not support horseracing or horseman. I think it is important that you write letters but I also think that the only way you will get the tracks to listen to you is through a wide campaign or even better show them financially. If the other boards are doing something like this then why dont you bring it here?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So you are saying that past posting occurs on a daily basis?

I'm saying the tote system is out of date and needs an upgrade.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A guy in what position? Your attitude that I should personally owe you something because you bet is something that I dislike. You dont bet for my benefit nor does anyone else. You are trying to make money, not support horseracing or horseman. I think it is important that you write letters but I also think that the only way you will get the tracks to listen to you is through a wide campaign or even better show them financially. If the other boards are doing something like this then why dont you bring it here?

What position? Well, a position that wouldn't exist without betting.

I didn't say you owe me anything. However, when you brush aside bettors getting a raw deal because of poor technology, I'll respond every time. It is typical of those that work on the backside and in management. Not everyone of course, but the majority.

I've posted plenty of dumb comments on message boards. Usually, I'll realize it eventually, and I'm pretty stubborn. If my posts here seem like they are personal, you'll just have to get over it.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The odds drop in most cases because the money getting bet late off track takes time to get into the system, not because people are betting at the 1/4 pole. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe it goes on 60 second cycles which obviously are too long.

Yeah, but my cynisism (sp?) arises from the fact that nearly ALL odds changes on front runners is to the downside (yes I've actually tracked it), which have a more even distribution of odds changes up AND down if it were merely pool data collection was incomplete. I'm 99.9% sure there are people past posting all over the country, every day.

I think it's 30 second cycles, can someone confirm as such?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

What position? Well, a position that wouldn't exist without betting.

I didn't say you owe me anything. However, when you brush aside bettors getting a raw deal because of poor technology, I'll respond every time. It is typical of those that work on the backside and in management. Not everyone of course, but the majority.

I've posted plenty of dumb comments on message boards. Usually, I'll realize it eventually, and I'm pretty stubborn. If my posts here seem like they are personal, you'll just have to get over it.

Please spare me the 'you wouldnt have a job without us' crap. I am well aware of the place where bettors exist in the grand scheme of horse racing. If you ever took the time to read many of my other posts on the subject of the gambler and his/her importance you would see where I stand.

I still believe that this subject has been vastly blown out of proportion by some and I have yet to see anything posted here that would change my mind. The tote system that is in place now may need to be modernized but some seem to be saying that people or persons are unfairly taking advantage of the system. If true then it should be a criminal investigation. But mechanical errors are just that. Errors.

I will tell you what else is typical is the arrogance of those who bet who constantly think that the sport is always doing wrong by them. We screwed the bettors with artificial tracks. We screwed the bettors with too many Breeders Cup races. We screwed the bettors with a 10 cent supers. I would tell anyone that if you dont feel that horse racing is on the up and up then dont play. No one is forcing you to play horses. Not because I benefit or not. But because if you truly dont think things are fair or you are getting a raw deal why continue?

It is the same argument that people make when horses are DQ'ed for medication positives. They want their money back. The Bettors got screwed!!! But what about the bettors that cashed on those races? Do they offer to pay back the money they unjustly won? Because that is who has "your" money. The other bettors who benefited. Not the track. Not the horseman.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Yeah, but my cynisism (sp?) arises from the fact that nearly ALL odds changes on front runners is to the downside (yes I've actually tracked it), which have a more even distribution of odds changes up AND down if it were merely pool data collection was incomplete. I'm 99.9% sure there are people past posting all over the country, every day.
I think it's 30 second cycles, can someone confirm as such?

That is very hard to believe.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please spare me the 'you wouldnt have a job without us' crap. I am well aware of the place where bettors exist in the grand scheme of horse racing. If you ever took the time to read many of my other posts on the subject of the gambler and his/her importance you would see where I stand.

I still believe that this subject has been vastly blown out of proportion by some and I have yet to see anything posted here that would change my mind. The tote system that is in place now may need to be modernized but some seem to be saying that people or persons are unfairly taking advantage of the system. If true then it should be a criminal investigation. But mechanical errors are just that. Errors.

I will tell you what else is typical is the arrogance of those who bet who constantly think that the sport is always doing wrong by them. We screwed the bettors with artificial tracks. We screwed the bettors with too many Breeders Cup races. We screwed the bettors with a 10 cent supers. I would tell anyone that if you dont feel that horse racing is on the up and up then dont play. No one is forcing you to play horses. Not because I benefit or not. But because if you truly dont think things are fair or you are getting a raw deal why continue?

It is the same argument that people make when horses are DQ'ed for medication positives. They want their money back. The Bettors got screwed!!! But what about the bettors that cashed on those races? Do they offer to pay back the money they unjustly won? Because that is who has "your" money. The other bettors who benefited. Not the track. Not the horseman.

OK Cannon. I'll stick to betting, you stick to training and pontificating on anything related to horses, and everything else for that matter. Your record certainly speaks for itself.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

OK Cannon. I'll stick to betting, you stick to training and pontificating on anything related to horses, and everything else for that matter. Your record certainly speaks for itself.

Coming from an Orioles fan, that really hurts

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

OK Cannon. I'll stick to betting, you stick to training and pontificating on anything related to horses, and everything else for that matter. Your record certainly speaks for itself.

Here we go

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

Here we go

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more about than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well. I'll "get over it".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

Here we go

What can I say? I am a gambler-hating backstretch guy who can't believe that bettors are getting screwed on a daily basis by the evil past posters. Can not believe Joe Bruno or Spitzer hasn't jumped on this yet.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well.

Well I sure dont seem to know as much about past posting as you do.

[cmorioles]

Couldn't think of any more ignorant bobsledding comments?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more about than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well. I'll "get over it".

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

what would jesus do?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

I hope I don't get the opportunity to past post because then if I lost I'd feel really dumb.

NT

[Scav]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I hope I don't get the opportunity to past post because then if I lost I'd feel really dumb.

NT

Even when I find winners, I find a way to **** them up so I am a lost cause

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Couldn't think of any more ignorant bobsledding comments?

Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.

If you used "pal" instead of "dude", you would have sounded tougher, for future reference