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Old 03-12-2009, 03:11 PM
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LOCKS
ACC: UNC, Duke, FSU, Clemson, Wake Forest, Boston College
Big East: Pitt, UConn, Louisville, Marquette, Villanova, Syracuse, West Virginia
Big Ten: Michigan State, Purdue, Illinois, Ohio State
Big XII: Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State
Pac-10: UCLA, Washington, Arizona St, Cal
SEC: LSU, Tennessee
Mountain West: Utah, BYU
A-10: Xavier, Dayton
Conference USA: Memphis
Horizon: Butler
WCC: Gonzaga

So that's 36 teams in 11 conferences. If all of the conferences are won by teams in the above list, plus 20 conferences with an autobid but no lock, that leaves 9 spots open.
*Texas (which should have been there anyways), BC, Ohio State, Oklahoma State, & Texas A&M move in to LOCK status.
*Creighton drops back into the at-large pool after losing in the MVC Semis.

ACC:
Maryland- As usual, they found a way to lose a game that they had to have, this time to UVA on Saturday. Now 7-9 in the ACC which means they have to win a few in the ACC Tournament to feel safe. OUT
Virginia Tech- 17-13 overall, 7-9 in the ACC, 2-8 against the RPI top 50, and 6-11 against the RPI top 100. That's a tough sell. Loser of VT-Miami is definitely OUT, but they are on the wrong side anyways right now.
Miami- Back in the picture because of the soft bubble, but as stated above the VT-Miami game is essentially a play-in game for the NCAA's... and the winner still might have to win another game in the ACC Tournament. OUT

Big East:
Providence- MUST win their quarterfinal round game, and might need to beat #1 seed Louisville in the semis. OUT at the moment.

Big Ten:
Wisconsin- Keeping them here but barring a disastrous performance in the first round of the Big Ten tournament they should be fine, even with a loss. IN
Minnesota- Tough loss on Saturday after being up 12, would have moved them off this line, but now needs to win a game in the Big Ten Tournament. IN, for the moment.
Michigan- Halfway home to a bid based on the scenario I laid out last time. As long as they beat Iowa in the first round they are IN. 6-9 against the top 50 and 10-11 against the top 100, even if the road record blows.
Penn State- Ugh. I was rooting for them to get back into the Tourney but you CANNOT lose to a team like Iowa at this point of the season. Beat Illinois 2X and split with Purdue, Minny & Michigan, is that enough with that horrific nonconference schedule?? Not right now... OUT
Northwestern- They almost got the win they needed in Columbus but not quite there. Needs to make a run to the Big Ten championship game. OUT

Big XII:
* Oklahoma State moves into LOCK status because everyone around them keeps collapsing, and they just feel like a tournament team, unlike a lot of these other bums. I don't know for certain if they can afford a loss to Iowa State in the first round but given the way things are right now around them they probably can and still get in. Texas A&M earned it the hard way with a clinching win against Mizzou.

Pac-10:
Arizona- Does a win at home against #105 Stanford get you in? No, but it certainly cures the blues temporarily. Got a tough matchup with Az State in the first round and might need to win that one. OUT, for now.

SEC:
South Carolina- No bad losses but no real good wins either. The 10-6 record in the SEC is extremely hollow, but it's still a precedent- no SEC team has ever missed the tournament with a 10-6 league record that I can ever remember. Should be IN barring a horrific loss to either Georgia or Mississippi State in the SEC quarters.
Florida- They move back into the picture because everyone else sucks. OUT for now but that Washington win is looking better and better. Must beat Arkansas and Auburn, and 24-10 would be tough to ignore.

Mountain West:
* Two of the three teams that were in the picture last Friday will make it and they will work it out in Vegas this week.
UNLV- had a chance to lock it up and in the process, knock out SDSU but didn't get it done. They get a second crack in the quarterfinals of the Mtn West tournament at home- the winner is IN, the loser is OUT.
New Mexico- 12-4 in a tough conference is tough to ignore but man have they flown under the radar. I think they are just IN at this point (as in, the last team in) based on tying for the league title, but shouldn't lose to Wyoming in the quarters or there will be a lot of sweating in Albequerque this week.

Missouri Valley:
Creighton- if they had won the Illinois State game in the semis they would have locked up a bid but now they have to sweat. I think they're on the right side of the bubble right now with their 9-5 record against the top 100 and sharing the league title with UNI but certainly are playing with fire. IN

Others:
There are two bids left under the assumption that the Mountain West has a knockout game, none of the ACC under .500 teams are worthy, and UF doesn't make a run in the SEC Tournament. Rhode Island took a loss they really couldn't afford on Saturday against UMass. Right now, I'd give the first slot to St. Mary's if they need it, followed by Siena if they need it, followed by Utah State if they need it, followed by Rhode Island or Temple.
Thursday update.
LOCKS
ACC: UNC, Duke, FSU, Clemson, Wake Forest, Boston College
Big East: Pitt, UConn, Louisville, Marquette, Villanova, Syracuse, West Virginia
Big Ten: Michigan State, Purdue, Illinois, Ohio State
Big XII: Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State
Pac-10: UCLA, Washington, Arizona St, Cal
SEC: LSU, Tennessee
Mountain West: Utah, BYU
A-10: Xavier, Dayton
Conference USA: Memphis
Horizon: Butler, CLEVELAND STATE
WCC: GONZAGA

So that's 37 teams in 11 conferences. If all of the conferences are won by teams in the above list, plus 20 conferences with an autobid but no lock, that leaves 8 spots open.

Changes Today:
* Miami loses to VT, out of the running. NIT bound.
* Providence loses to Louisville, out of the running. NIT bound.
* Northwestern loses to Minnesota, out of the running. NIT bound.

ACC:
Maryland- As usual, they found a way to lose a game that they had to have, this time to UVA on Saturday. Now 7-9 in the ACC which means they have to win a few in the ACC Tournament to feel safe. OUT
Virginia Tech- 18-13 overall, 8-9 in the ACC, 2-8 against the RPI top 50, and 6-11 against the RPI top 100 after the Miami win. That's still a tough sell. OUT, but moving in the right direction.

Big East:

Big Ten:
Wisconsin- Keeping them here but barring a disastrous performance in the first round of the Big Ten tournament they should be fine, even with a loss. IN
Minnesota- Gets a victory over Northwestern in the first round. I think they are safe now. IN
Michigan- About to beat Iowa in the first round, they are IN. 6-9 against the top 50 and 10-11 against the top 100, even if the road record blows.
Penn State- Ugh. I was rooting for them to get back into the Tourney but you CANNOT lose to a team like Iowa at this point of the season. Beat Illinois 2X and split with Purdue, Minny & Michigan, is that enough with that horrific nonconference schedule?? Not right now... OUT

Big XII:
* Oklahoma State moves into LOCK status because everyone around them keeps collapsing, and they just feel like a tournament team, unlike a lot of these other bums. I don't know for certain if they can afford a loss to Iowa State in the first round but given the way things are right now around them they probably can and still get in. Texas A&M earned it the hard way with a clinching win against Mizzou.

Pac-10:
Arizona- Does a win at home against #105 Stanford get you in? No, but it certainly cures the blues temporarily. Got a tough matchup with Az State in the first round and might need to win that one. OUT, for now.

SEC:
South Carolina- No bad losses but no real good wins either. The 10-6 record in the SEC is extremely hollow, but it's still a precedent- no SEC team has ever missed the tournament with a 10-6 league record that I can ever remember. Should be IN barring a horrific loss to either Georgia or Mississippi State in the SEC quarters.
Florida- They move back into the picture because everyone else sucks. OUT for now but that Washington win is looking better and better. Must beat Arkansas and Auburn, and 24-10 would be tough to ignore.

Mountain West:
* Two of the three teams that were in the picture last Friday will make it and they will work it out in Vegas this week.
UNLV- had a chance to lock it up and in the process, knock out SDSU but didn't get it done. They get a second crack in the quarterfinals of the Mtn West tournament at home- the winner is IN, the loser is OUT.
New Mexico- 12-4 in a tough conference is tough to ignore but man have they flown under the radar. I think they are just IN at this point (as in, the last team in) based on tying for the league title, but shouldn't lose to Wyoming in the quarters or there will be a lot of sweating in Albequerque this week.

Missouri Valley:
Creighton- if they had won the Illinois State game in the semis they would have locked up a bid but now they have to sweat. I think they're on the right side of the bubble right now with their 9-5 record against the top 100 and sharing the league title with UNI but certainly are playing with fire. IN


Others:
There are one bid left under the assumption that the Mountain West has a knockout game, none of the ACC under .500 teams are worthy, and UF doesn't make a run in the SEC Tournament. Rhode Island took a loss they really couldn't afford on Saturday against UMass. Right now, I'd give the slot to St. Mary's, because I'm convinced they are worthy with a healthy Patty Mills and they have one shot more to prove he's healthy. Their resume is awfully thin, however, and are my last team in right now.
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:21 PM
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With Michigan's easy win, 7 bids are still available by my count. An Arizona win over Arizona State would trim it to 6.
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:38 PM
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Nice comeback by Marquette. Should be a good finish.

Nice shot on teh drive Scottie.
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:44 PM
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Nice comeback by Marquette. Should be a good finish.

Nice shot on teh drive Scottie.
What an ending. McNeal $hit the bed on defense when it counted most.
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:50 PM
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Texas needs to hold on, a loss by them would throw the Big 12 into chaos mode. Moving K-State back up to the bubble could drop all the 9-7s back down to the bubble.

I really only see 5 spots open and one win by South Carolina would take one of them. That leaves Florida, Arizona, Penn State, New Mexico, and the winner of UNLV/SD St fighting for four spots. Arizona looks like they aren't taking their opportunity to wrap a spot up so they will be sweating it out. Of course Temple or Rhode Island could reduce that to three spots or an Auburn/Virginia Tech/K-State/USC/Maryland/Miss St could move themselves into contention with a deep tourney run although none seem likely to do so.
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:54 PM
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With Michigan's easy win, 7 bids are still available by my count. An Arizona win over Arizona State would trim it to 6.
Agree, as stated above. I'm very close to moving Michigan to lock status after they stomped Iowa which would leave 7 spots available. Their big wins and SOS trump their terrible road record.
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Agree, as stated above. I'm very close to moving Michigan to lock status after they stomped Iowa which would leave 7 spots available. Their big wins and SOS trump their terrible road record.
What two teams that I didn't mention don't you consider locks yet?
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:17 PM
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What two teams that I didn't mention don't you consider locks yet?
Wisconsin and Minnesota I guess?
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Thursday update.
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Penn State- Ugh. I was rooting for them to get back into the Tourney but you CANNOT lose to a team like Iowa at this point of the season. Beat Illinois 2X and split with Purdue, Minny & Michigan, is that enough with that horrific nonconference schedule?? Not right now... OUT
they split with Purdue, Minny & Michigan and also the big one you're leaving out...Michigan State...that ought to count for smething. if they beat indiana and play very competetively with Purdue, even if they don't win, they're in. obviously if they choke away the lead and lose to INdiana they're as far out of it as NJIT (whom they did beat by the way!!!...for the life of me with wins like that out of conference I can't figure out why everyone is ragging on their out of conference schedule!!).
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Why? Did Baylor suddenly forget how to play basketball in the past year? You rail every day about how terrible the Big XII is, but now you'd be shocked to see an underachieving Tournament team from last year win two games.

And I'm done discussing A&M with you. You obviously hate them and can't be impartial. That's fine, but they're in the Tournament. Deal with it.
It would not be 2 games.
It would be four.
Any team having to play so many games in
a row is going to be at a disadvantage, No?
And especially a team playing as poorly as Baylor
had been compared to the beginning of the year.

And you are correct. I do not like ATM as a team this year.
If you actually watched the Tech game you would
understand what I mean by an excusable game to lose.
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Holy chit...

Syracuse good or not?
Jeeezzzzz.
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Holy chit...

Syracuse good or not?
Jeeezzzzz.
Didnt have it off. By a gash hair. OT
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That was close!
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This is great stuff. I hope they play all night.
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Nice shot selection Flynn.

If that play was drawn up to go down like that at the end of 2nd OT, that's embarrassing.
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Would anyone believe that I left that game 5 minutes in to the 2nd half? Just got home and to see the end of the 2nd ot.
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Would anyone believe that I left that game 5 minutes in to the 2nd half? Just got home and to see the end of the 2nd ot.
Wrong move Matt. Sorry.

An equally laughable shot with time winding down in 3rd OT by UCONN.
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Wrong move Matt. Sorry.

An equally laughable shot with time winding down in 3rd OT by UCONN.
Long day, Long night. There's no way I would have made the whole thing. If I was still there, I am looking at the earliest, 2:30 at being home. Then being up at 6:30, I can't do that kind of crap anymore. I'm happy watching the end in front of my TV.
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This is great stuff. I hope they play all night.

got your wish! What a game!
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Would anyone believe that I left that game 5 minutes in to the 2nd half? Just got home and to see the end of the 2nd ot.
I left with Syracuse up 7 and 2 minutes to play. Figured I wasn't missing anything but fouling in the last minute

Watched on the way home on my phone. Got home at the end of the 3rd OT. Couldn't stay up any longer. What a game!!!
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