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12-01-2006, 12:22 AM
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It was a horrible ride, Victor got the horse blocked. You can see the horse's head go straight up. It would had been a good stretch battle, if he didn't have to stop, and then restart when he finally had an opening.
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12-01-2006, 01:28 AM
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Oracle, Forthewrongreason (1) in the 7th was much the best in my opinion. She was moving so wonderfully much better than Silk Kerchief (8). Two things I didnt understand...1) Why was the 1 so much closer to the pace today? 2) Why on earth did VE move so soon? You could see the jock on the 8 baiting VE to shoot for that tiny space. VE took the bait and the jock on the 8 moved his horse and closed off the 1. The 1 took up and that was all she wrote. If VE would of had the 1 back a little further then the he would of passed the 8 easily. The 8 freaking stuggled down the stretch. This field wasnt all that great and it took everything for the 8 to win. VE should be ashamed.
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12-01-2006, 07:39 AM
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Forthewrongreason was in trouble from the 5/8's in. Unless she was already in the 2-path (wasn't) and unless her jock was going to make something happen (didn't) she was going to need to get lucky or be tons best (neither). I thought the horse got stopped pretty bad at the 1/4 pole and it was over then.
I can't say Forthewrongreason was/is better than than Silk Kerchief. But the horse got a lousy trip. If you don't think the horse's trip cost her a 1-2 finish, then you've got to believe that Film Editor and Vatchvendetta are simply better fillies to outclose Forthewrongreason off that trip.
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12-01-2006, 08:11 AM
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Some people know how to watch races, some people think they do. You'd think these guys would get if after a while, how often you see a horse get steadied or impeded in the lane, and then just stop. Horses aren't all brave, and many of em will just say screw it when stopped and not restart the motor. You learn to watch the ears, which tell you a lot about how a horse is feeling. I got screwed. Anyone who coulnd't see that Victor had more horse and was tracveling sweeter, well they just have no hope and can't watch races. Trying to use what she did after the fact is kinda funny, and moronic. She got stopped and chucked it. Its a shame, it really is.
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12-01-2006, 08:39 AM
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mike your saying that when you watch a race its for REAL and others cant..thats bogus, sorry about your loss but the condesending tone of your post is really bad ..many here can and do see the races differently..thats why somebody tossed your horse as a quitter this time and snached the pot.....you seem to be on a down hill slide as of late ..capping wise maybee a break will refresh you...throwing good money after bad is just unsound thinking....keep your head up.....
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12-01-2006, 08:40 AM
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Hooves no slide. Funny you talk a big gamne but never hit a big pik-6 like I have. You can't, thats why. And your trtip notes suick.
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12-01-2006, 08:48 AM
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i have and ive hit more on a daily basis than you...55.000 supers ect but your the best.."its a bitch girl.and youve gone to far...you can survive on landsons money ..you can survive on lansons money ..its a bitch girl....lol and i get the whole amount i win....not 10 perc..
take a break .... Last edited by hoovesupsideyourhead : 12-01-2006 at 08:54 AM.
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12-01-2006, 09:28 AM
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Oracle, what I dont like is when you say that you hope Victor gets hurt. I cannot believe that someone would wish injury to another person in this game. That is real childish and perhaps you need to learn to accept your losses better.
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12-01-2006, 09:48 AM
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Do you reread this crap before posting it or do you actually want to continue to pretend that somehow you have some clever insight into racewatching and others here don't? Do you think these off-hand insults of other posters, while you pretend to be some huge winning gambler, vis-a-vis your racewatching skills of course, will go unnoticed and unanswered? You want to tell us that there is more than one way to watch a race, fine, but this " I know...they don't " BS is as preposterous as it is insulting. Well, I think the horse that is the subject of this conversation was " shut off " because it simply did not have enough horse to make the move with the eventual winner, and the horse was hardly " shut off " with a full head of steam, and was in fact barely checked, and then eased out facily at the top of the stretch and backed up. You want a comparison? Relaxed Gesture in the Sword Dancer. Everybody jumped all over the ride, and it was a poor one, but the simple fact is the horse had nothing....and that was proven in subsequent starts. You are simply making excuses for a losing pick, instead of blaming yourself as you should, seeing if you should make some adjustments in your handicapping, and moving forward from there. Always blaming someone else will keep a horseplayer from having any chance of winning. And, yes, I have hit many Pick-6s, some for very good money, and I have championed ALL the tickets and used money of my own.
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12-01-2006, 11:11 AM
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The horses in that race were a pretty well matched group.Nobody in there could afford to have to overcome trouble(if they were going to win.)That much I know.Her chances at a win went in the toilet when she got stopped.It may not look like it was a nail in the coffin,but she couldn't afford it.If she doesn't get stopped,she comes top 2(I don't know which.)
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12-01-2006, 11:15 AM
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If that's true, and I can't dispute it one way or another because I didn't look at the pps, then she was a HORRENDOUS bet at 6:5.
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12-01-2006, 11:19 AM
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You know, not every horse is Taste of Paradise(in the BC 2005), as a matter of fact most are not. Lester Piggott was quoted as saying he felt that 50% of the horses he ever rode were not trying. Thats probably a low number. WHile we marvel at horses like Invasor who battle on, and Discreet cat, horses who obviously have both talent and heart, the fact is that most do not. The difference between a restricted stakes winner and a 35 claimer is often just heart. You toss heart into the 35 claimer and hes a restricted stakes winner. You take the heart out of a restricted stakes winner and hes a 35 claimer. I bought lans a horse like that. She wasn't the most talented mare in the world, but she had teh heart of a lion and never once in her career did she surrender the lead when she had it in stretch. She was a restricted stakes winner. You take her heart away and shes a claimer. Noone in that race, had any heart, including the winner who was 2-14 with 4 2nds. You can't rev one up and say go, then say stop, and get em to unwind again. You see it every day whether its Finger Lakes or Hollywood or beulah. You'll see a horse making a run get checked and then just stop. Most of em will chuck it when halted, they just don't have the guts. This filly sure as hell wasn't Ruffian, thats for sure. Before she got stopped she was tugging at the bit and moving great. Antongeorgi gave his mare a great ride, and didn't allow the veteran rider to go through a hole that wasn't there. Whatever, there is a small one today at the Big A unless they cancel due to the winds. Thats today's mission. Last edited by oracle80 : 12-01-2006 at 11:22 AM.
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