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Old 11-30-2006, 11:33 AM
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Yeah, as I recall Ernie had him " pencilled in as the Wood winner " thus enabling him to win the Arkansas Derby with Achillies of Troy ( who actually WAS a good horse ).

Scanlon's Song got a blistering pace and speed duel to win his debut and as usual was butchered on his way to the shelf and I think may have recently run for a tag. It's too bad. The horse had at least a little ability once.

Achillies of Troy was a VERY good horse.
Agreed, is he ever coming back? He had the best figures of any 3YO early this year.
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Old 11-30-2006, 11:42 AM
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Agreed, is he ever coming back? He had the best figures of any 3YO early this year.
pretty sure 'outofthebox' said he is working again...
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Old 11-30-2006, 11:44 AM
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pretty sure 'outofthebox' said he is working again...
Excellent, thanks. I don't think it takes a genius to see how much better Paragallo's horses have been doing with him than Pitchfork Woman... hopefully he comes back strong at 4.
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:24 PM
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Excellent, thanks. I don't think it takes a genius to see how much better Paragallo's horses have been doing with him than Pitchfork Woman... hopefully he comes back strong at 4.
No knock on the current trainer ( and board member ), and I don't think he would disagree, but Jen Pederson did a decent job with what she was given, and I think who does the day to day training of these horses, both then and now, is at least open to debate.

She lasted a long time in a very difficult situation and I don't think it's particularly fair to malign her in any way. And, no, I have no personal stake in this situation whatsoever.
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:36 PM
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No knock on the current trainer ( and board member ), and I don't think he would disagree, but Jen Pederson did a decent job with what she was given, and I think who does the day to day training of these horses, both then and now, is at least open to debate.

She lasted a long time in a very difficult situation and I don't think it's particularly fair to malign her in any way. And, no, I have no personal stake in this situation whatsoever.
On her behalf, the one time I talked to Paragallo I was really turned off. He seemed like a tough guy to deal with.

I saw nothing wrong with Pedersen other than it always seemed like she spotted horses too aggressively; i.e., 30K horses running in AOC 75k's and they're 30-1. Horses sour when they lose and lose and lose. I think this is why the current trainer is winning at a better clip, he seems to be placing the horses more properly.
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Old 11-30-2006, 01:15 PM
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Phil, you are a very smart and astute horseplayer, you can't possibly think she was responsible for the insane spotting of their horses.
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Old 11-30-2006, 02:09 PM
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Phil, you are a very smart and astute horseplayer, you can't possibly think she was responsible for the insane spotting of their horses.
No, I absolutely agree with you.
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