Was Masochistic stiffed in his debut?

[outofthebox]

Reminds me of the old days when outfits would bring their maidens with no workouts for a score. Or maybe he was trying to show off a faster cal bred than Chrome..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Reminds me of the old days when outfits would bring their maidens with no workouts for a score. Or maybe he was trying to show off a faster cal bred than Chrome..

Dennis Manning did it with a maiden a few years ago at GP. Had a few nonsense workouts from a Ocala training center, opened up short, stayed that way and galloped.

[Vegaskid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dennis Manning did it with a maiden a few years ago at GP. Had a few nonsense workouts from a Ocala training center, opened up short, stayed that way and galloped.

Peter Miller does this on a weekly basis. He has admitted to it and stated it has paid for his kids future college tuition. Now, when i see him entered in a MCL with a 1st timer I cringe. He will even throw a low % jock on to beef up the price.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dennis Manning did it with a maiden a few years ago at GP. Had a few nonsense workouts from a Ocala training center, opened up short, stayed that way and galloped.

Remember it well. Grand Hombre working three very slow half miles in 52 at Classic Mile. 30-1 ml , goes off at 14-1 with Edgar Prado and goes 1:08 n change . Later selling him to Darley for some sick change...

[Danzig]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...derby-day-race

[Calzone Lord]

The definition of nobbling:

tr.v. nob·bled, nob·bling, nob·bles Chiefly British
1. To disable (a racehorse), especially by drugging.
2. To win (a person) over.
3. To outdo or get the better of by devious means.
4. To filch or steal.
5. To kidnap.

I'd like to see A. C. Avila asked about Tornado Allie's first two career starts.

She certainly has the look of a horse who could have been the victim of nobbling:

In her first two starts, she ran BRIS speed figures of -2 and 28. She ran Beyer figures of -0 and -0 in those first two starts.

In both races, she showed no speed at all and still tired throughout. Who bets a horse at 12/1 odds, off of two -0 Beyers, in Southern California?

You're not supposed to see nobbling anymore. In this era, the purses are way too large to justify it. It really should never happen, and especially never happen at bigger circuits.

One of my fathers bigger betting scores came that way. He nobbled a horse named Nat's Thunder with reserpine in a race at Commodore Downs, and brought him back to win a race on a Saturday at Thistle Downs in the summer. He says he profited over 20k betting the race by catching the exacta. In those days, Thistle Downs handled well and was a far more respectable track than it is today. Antonio Graell rode there at the time, and he used him when he could get him. But, he'd bring in a Commodore jockey if he was trying to cash a bet.