Brilliant moves by Churchill

[ADJMK]

Originally Posted by Big Peps

Obviously there is a balance that needs to be found but if you piss off owners in an industry that needs improvement , it's not a great business plan. Plain and simple. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that most horse owners ain't making money, perks matter to many.

Exactly and the owners are the ones who are spending thousands to provide the product so that the racetrack can put on a show. If I am forking up $$ for an entry fee to race as well as paying shipping costs and I am less important that a "B" celeb who won't be back until his free invite next year, I am totally pissed off too. Sure it's the tracks big days and the ones that make their year but if it wasn't for the owners who support all year there would be no track. Porter and his fellow owners have a reason to be upset. They put the bucks all year so they have a right to feel "entitled".

[Cannon Shell]

CD always used to provide owners with horses in under card stakes on Oaks and Derby days with accommodations that weren't in the nosebleed section for a face value cost (which of course was far cheaper than what they charge now)

They used to have a vice president of racing that handled things like this. Why would a racing company need an executive in charge of racing matters after all?

[Payson Dave]

Just my humble opinion but if tracks hustle owners and trainers to race to fill cards throughout the year, then accommodating owners and trainers on the big days is only proper. Oaks Day and/or Derby Day would be a lot less spectacular if the non featured events consisted of 5k to 12.5K Claimers.
And in my opinion the owners and trainers with horses racing on a given day should be "entitled" to accommodations on that day.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Just my humble opinion but if tracks hustle owners and trainers to race to fill cards throughout the year, then accommodating owners and trainers on the big days is only proper. Oaks Day and/or Derby Day would be a lot less spectacular if the non featured events consisted of 5k to 12.5K Claimers.
And in my opinion the owners and trainers with horses racing on a given day should be "entitled" to accommodations on that day.

Please explain how derby day will degrade into 5 -12 K claimers if owners aren't
"Accomodadted" . Will owners take their million dollar purchases and turn them into carriage horses to recoup their money instead of running them for the huge purses on Derby Day?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please explain how derby day will degrade into 5 -12 K claimers if owners aren't
"Accomodadted" . Will owners take their million dollar purchases and turn them into carriage horses to recoup their money instead of running them for the huge purses on Derby Day?

No, they will run them at a track with huge purses that treat them well.

In this instance, the track is also operating a service industry and it does not surprise me that numerous owners have cited that the only person they have had a pleasant experience with is Mr. D of Arlington.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

No, they will run them at a track with huge purses that treat them well.

In this instance, the track is also operating a service industry and it does not surprise me that numerous owners have cited that the only person they have had a pleasant experience with is Mr. D of Arlington.

You seriously think that owners are going to bypass graded stakes purse money due to lack of free tickets?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by jms62

You seriously think that owners are going to bypass graded stakes purse money due to lack of free tickets?

Most would argue that there are too many Graded options out there watering down the product. So yes, owners bypass graded stakes purse money for a variety of reasons.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please explain how derby day will degrade into 5 -12 K claimers if owners aren't
"Accomodadted" . Will owners take their million dollar purchases and turn them into carriage horses to recoup their money instead of running them for the huge purses on Derby Day?

So you are saying that its fine for CD to make money by filling the Oaks and Derby Cards with lesser Stakes races...but its not ok to comp the owners and trainers that provide the horses that run in these lesser stakes. I personally think that if you have skin in the game your entitled to more of the frosting then someone who doesn't...those with skin in the game are in it for more than just the big days...just my opinion... we can always agree to disagree.

[Pants II]

Churchill wants to be a casino driven company but are the absolute worst at comping the whales.

They are incompetent. I couldn't care less about their share price in this over-valued joke of a market.

They will fail with this business model. They are a-holes.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

So you are saying that its fine for CD to make money by filling the Oaks and Derby Cards with lesser Stakes races...but its not ok to comp the owners and trainers that provide the horses that run in these lesser stakes. I personally think that if you have skin in the game your entitled to more of the frosting then someone who doesn't...those with skin in the game are in it for more than just the big days...just my opinion... we can always agree to disagree.

How about they comp us bettors who without they are NOTHING. No they raise the takeout on us. Sorry if I don't feel sorry for a rich fuk crying for tickets so he can bring someone in and pound his chest and say look at me I am so generous and compassionate.

[Payson Dave]

Lol...for the record I'm not crazy about the increased takeout...its not the owners that raised the takeout... it takes all three entities for the model to work but it is the tracks and the owners who are directly related in putting on the show.