3 Dead 23 Wounded in 10 hrs. of battle

[Pants II]

Building more prisons = tax burden

Addressing poverty and how currently it's advantageous for the poor to have children would be a much better start.

But then again it's much easier to be spineless and harass the lawful citizens with guns than it is to address real problems.

[cabvmd]

I am so glad my Nephew and family moved out of that city.

I was worried all the time of them getting caught in the cross fire in the "War Zone" of that city.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Building more prisons = tax burden.

Shootings in the City of Chicago reportedly cost $2.5 billion per year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...at-bleeds.html

In Illinois it costs $25K/year to house a prisoner.

Chicago reportedly has 70,000 gang members and those 70K are responsible for the vast majority of gun crimes.

Devise a plan to target and lock up the worse 10% or 7,000 bangers. At 25K per year the plan would cost 175 million or 7% of the money lost every year to the cost of shootings.

BTW Locking up all 70K would run $1.75 billion a year or 70% of the yearly cost of just shootings. Add on the ancillary costs of housing, feeding and schooling the bangers on the outside not to mention the property they steal and damage, the classrooms and neighborhoods they disrupt and trash it would seem a no-brainer financially. When you consider the innocent lives saved it seems irresponsible not to.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Shootings in the City of Chicago reportedly cost $2.5 billion per year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...at-bleeds.html

In Illinois it costs $25K/year to house a prisoner.

Chicago reportedly has 70,000 gang members and those 70K are responsible for the vast majority of gun crimes.

Devise a plan to target and lock up the worse 10% or 7,000 bangers. At 25K per year the plan would cost 175 million or 7% of the money lost every year to the cost of shootings.

BTW Locking up all 70K would run $1.75 billion a year or 70% of the yearly cost of just shootings. Add on the ancillary costs of housing, feeding and schooling the bangers on the outside not to mention the property they steal and damage, the classrooms and neighborhoods they disrupt and trash it would seem a no-brainer financially. When you consider the innocent lives saved it seems irresponsible not to.

25k a year? Pffffft.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Pants II

25k a year? Pffffft.

https://www2.illinois.gov/idoc/.../m...er.aspx‎

Search. Illinois Department of Corrections ... Average Annual Cost Per Inmate: $20,507 (FY12) ... Menard Correctional Center's Visiting Rules and Regulations.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

https://www2.illinois.gov/idoc/.../m...er.aspx‎

Search. Illinois Department of Corrections ... Average Annual Cost Per Inmate: $20,507 (FY12) ... Menard Correctional Center's Visiting Rules and Regulations.

Yes and I can link a study showing that the actual costs are $38,000/year.

But I'm not the one insinuating that putting these "gangbangers" in prison en masse is going to solve the problem of gun violence.

It simply won't.

Especially considering that the majority of these gangs originated and were funded by people who didn't live in Illinois.

And this isn't like the movie Minority Report where there's a "pre-crime" division. Come on now.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Yes and I can link a study showing that the actual costs are $38,000/year.

But I'm not the one insinuating that putting these "gangbangers" in prison en masse is going to solve the problem of gun violence.

It simply won't.

Especially considering that the majority of these gangs originated and were funded by people who didn't live in Illinois.

And this isn't like the movie Minority Report where there's a "pre-crime" division. Come on now.

I see 38 and go all in

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/ny...tudy-says.html


My point is you can find a "study" to support anything,.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

I see 38 and go all in

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/ny...tudy-says.html


My point is you can find a "study" to support anything,.

Hey karaoke, salsa lessons, drama lessons, paint and new release movies all cost money.

Hopefully there's outrage in NYC this morning.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/05/accused...ushy-bellevue/

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Yes and I can link a study showing that the actual costs are $38,000/year..

Of course you can find a study however the IL Department of Corrections is the number I'll go with.

Originally Posted by Pants II

But I'm not the one insinuating that putting these "gangbangers" in prison en masse is going to solve the problem of gun violence...

I'm not either, just pointing out cost is not a factor when you consider the costs already being incurred. Many of the gangbangers are technically wanna-be's who w/o the influence of the gang may very well lead productive, crime free lives.

Originally Posted by Pants II

Especially considering that the majority of these gangs originated and were funded by people who didn't live in Illinois....

Long before the Crips and Bloods were the Black P Stone Rangers/El Rukns (Jeff Fort) in the late 50's, the Latin Kings (Luis Felipe) 1940's and the Gangster Disciples (Larry Hoover) early 70's. All were founded in Chicago.

The P Stones (bricks) and Latin Kings formed an alliance back in the late 70's-early 80's calling themselves the People's Nation to fight the ever expanding Disciples and its Folk Nation. They have been at war ever since. So when a Latin Disciple comes across a Latin King it's a problem and grounds for murder because one is Folk and one is People and THAT IS ALL IT TAKES nothing to do with race or anything else.

[dellinger63]

BTW Final stats for the w/e were 4 dead and 35 wounded.