A question on Easy Goer...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

I don't think I have anything beyond what I posted unfortunately. Would love to see them myself. I recall reading that he ran a 113 in the Preakness and I know his BC Classic was a 122. Somewhere in my old room at home I have a DRF with a list of the BC winning figs from the first several years but I haven't been able to find it - that would obviously produce his # against Ferdinand. Have to look again next time I'm at my parent's house.

do you have mineshafts?? or have i just missed them somewhere above...

[Bravado2112]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

do you have mineshafts?? or have i just missed them somewhere above...

Mineshaft
JC Gold Cup - 114
Woodward - 117
Suburban - 115
S. Foster - 117
Pim Special - 118
Ben Ali - 116
N. Orleans - 116
Whirlaway - 107
Before that: 103-104-96

If there's any other's in particular that people want, let me know...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

If there's any other's in particular that people want, let me know...

do they have to be famous horses?

[Bravado2112]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

do they have to be famous horses?

Only if you want actual figs! I have every champion from 92-present (possibly every stakes winning fig from the same time period if it was in the American Racing Manual), BC winning figs from 88-present, the 1990 BC card, whatever can be extrapolated from horses who ran in races won by any of the above, plus a few other assorted random figs from earlier stars like EG & SS as posted previously.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

Only if you want actual figs! I have every champion from 92-present (possibly every stakes winning fig from the same time period if it was in the American Racing Manual), BC winning figs from 88-present, the 1990 BC card, whatever can be extrapolated from horses who ran in races won by any of the above, plus a few other assorted random figs from earlier stars like EG & SS as posted previously.

this reminds me of pais mentioning opening pandoras box earlier...it's like christmas, and the kids open a huge gift and play with the box it came in. you are that box! lol

[Bravado2112]

Since he was mentioned earlier,
Skip Away
BC Classic - 110
JC Gold Cup - 100
Woodward - 119
Iselin - 114
Hol Gold Cup - 117
Mass Cap - 121
Pim Special - 118
Gulf Park - 114
Donn - 109

BC Classic - 120
JC Gold Cup - 116
Woodward - 116
Iselin - 115
Whitney - 115
Suburban - 118
Mass Cap - 122
Pim Special - 125
Texas - 92
GPH - 115
Donn - 112

JC Gold Cup - 115
Woodbine - 108
Travers - 111
Haskell - 113
Ohio Dby - 110
Belmont - 105
Preakness - 107
Derby - 87
Bluegrass - 113
Fla Derby - 104
Alw - 100

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

Since he was mentioned earlier,
Skip Away
BC Classic - 110
JC Gold Cup - 100
Woodward - 119
Iselin - 114
Hol Gold Cup - 117
Mass Cap - 121
Pim Special - 118
Gulf Park - 114
Donn - 109

BC Classic - 120
JC Gold Cup - 116
Woodward - 116
Iselin - 115
Whitney - 115
Suburban - 118
Mass Cap - 122
Pim Special - 125
Texas - 92
GPH - 115
Donn - 112

JC Gold Cup - 115
Woodbine - 108
Travers - 111
Haskell - 113
Ohio Dby - 110
Belmont - 105
Preakness - 107
Derby - 87
Bluegrass - 113
Fla Derby - 104
Alw - 100

do you have hers??? you know, the one. the only. personal ensign???

[Bravado2112]

Some other notes:

* Easy Goer's unadjusted fig in the Wood was a 124. They ultimately awarded it a 110 b/c it seemed unlikely that Triple Buck and whoever else finished in the money suddenly ran absurdly high figs of 118-119.

* From Beyer on Speed: "From 86-92, 7 horses ran 123 or better: Sunday Silence, Easy Goer, Precisionist, Turkoman, Best Pal, Phone Trick, & Groovy." (That means the 122 Alysheba ran in the BC Classic was his lifetime top. Alysheba ran a 95 in the BC Juv and a 113 in the Preakness)

* Personal Ensign ran a 115 in the BC Distaff - that's all I have on her although I seem to recall her Whitney being a 115-116 but could be wrong.

* Groovy 131-134 in '87 Roseben & True North.

* Affirmed 128 (lifetime top) is JC Gold Cup vs Spectacular Bid

* Winning Colors = 111 Derby, 106 Preakness, 115 Distaff

* General Assembly 130+ in Travers

[blackthroatedwind]

Sounds like I might be able to convince Beyer to do an article about the kind of numbers good horses used to run and compare them to these recent flashes in the pan in order to provide some perspective. If nothing else I will find out some numbers from him.

[Bravado2112]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sounds like I might be able to convince Beyer to do an article about the kind of numbers good horses used to run and compare them to these recent flashes in the pan in order to provide some perspective. If nothing else I will find out some numbers from him.

If you know him personally, I think some kind of publication listing the figs of some of the best pre-1992 horses would be wonderful (especially 70s and 80s when the info was far less available). I was always surprised he never did that before b/c he seems like the type who's into that type of stuff too. That'd be great if you could find out some additional figs to add to what I posted.

[ArlJim78]

Bravado this has been fascinating, reviewing the data you have brought forward. But at the same time sorta depressing when you stop and realize that we don't have these types of horses/performances anymore.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sounds like I might be able to convince Beyer to do an article about the kind of numbers good horses used to run and compare them to these recent flashes in the pan in order to provide some perspective. If nothing else I will find out some numbers from him.

That's an excellent idea. I'm sure it would be a popular read.

I'm also interested in whether Beyer thinks the numbers have suffered deflation over the years, or whether today's numbers really can be compared to those of 20-30 years ago.

--Dunbar

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

Mineshaft
JC Gold Cup - 114
Woodward - 117
Suburban - 115
S. Foster - 117
Pim Special - 118
Ben Ali - 116
N. Orleans - 116
Whirlaway - 107
Before that: 103-104-96

If there's any other's in particular that people want, let me know...

ok, that's it. sealed the deal.
you're going on my christmas card list!

lol thank you sir. you are much appreciated.

oh, and i haven't actually MAILED christmas cards in years....

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

Mineshaft
JC Gold Cup - 114
Woodward - 117
Suburban - 115
S. Foster - 117
Pim Special - 118
Ben Ali - 116
N. Orleans - 116
Whirlaway - 107
Before that: 103-104-96

If there's any other's in particular that people want, let me know...

I'd be curious to see how Azeri stacked up against some of the greatest and well-regarded fillies of yesteryear if you have a comparision.

[Bravado2112]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'd be curious to see how Azeri stacked up against some of the greatest and well-regarded fillies of yesteryear if you have a comparision.

Azeri (Faster than current champs, not historically fast)
BC Classic - 109
Spinster - 108
Personal Ensign - 97
Go For Wand 106
Phipps - 78
Met Mile - 103
Humana - 99
Apple Blossom - 112

Lady's Secret - 101
Hirsch - 100
Vanity - 109
Milady - 109
Apple Blossom - 105

BC Distaff - 111
Lady's Secret - 102
Hirsch - 101
Vanity - 107
Milady - 109
Apple Blossom - 110
Santa Marg. - 110
La Canada -105
100-103-94

Also, nothing on King Glorious unfortunately (I'm curious myself),

Risen Star - 106 Derby, 110 Preakness. Seem to recall his Belmont being 118 or so.

Pine Bluff - 98-93-78-74-78 as a 2 yo (last 5 starts), 106 in Southwest. Think his Ark Derby was in the 105-107 range. His Belmont was a 110.

No clue on Caveat or Creme Fraiche - sorry.