Barbaro 3yr old of the year

blackthroatedwind · #1 11-28-2006, 12:24 PM

I think Stevie Wonderboy is clearly the deserving winner. I mean, come one, the way he won that BC juvenile, over the last place finisher in the next BC Sprint, was awesome. He would definitely have been the champ this year if he didn't get hurt.

Danzig · #2 11-28-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think Stevie Wonderboy is clearly the deserving winner. I mean, come one, the way he won that BC juvenile, over the last place finisher in the next BC Sprint, was awesome. He would definitely have been the champ this year if he didn't get hurt.

well, in that case, then it should really go to what a song.

blackthroatedwind · #3 11-28-2006, 06:29 PM

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well, in that case, then it should really go to what a song.

Absolutely. In the same vein that The Green Monkey is CLEARLY this year's 2YO champ.

2MinsToPost · #4 11-28-2006, 06:34 PM

Here I go saying something I should not but the hell with it.

If I was to go and try to be the best lets say, oh, Quarterback in College Football and was great until I got hurt in the middle of the season -

Would I be up for the Heisman? Beuler? Beuler?

Let Barbaro go! Horse got hurt, it sucks, looks like he will be ok, and reruns of Everyone Loves Raymond still come on at all hours of the day and night!

Hey Jerry your dog still puking? How is the gambling thing for ya? Still talkin.

sumitas · #5 11-28-2006, 06:36 PM

Barbaro is a great horse that retired undefeated. There's not a thing wrong with him earning 3 Yr Old Champion.

2MinsToPost · #6 11-28-2006, 06:41 PM

Whatever happened to being consistent and around all year battling the best? It is not Barbaro's fault that he got hurt but my God when does it stop? Dini battled all year, stayed healthy and yet got beat by Invasor. Barbaro battled in the Spring, won the Derby but got hurt. Shiat happens, HoY goes to some horse other then Barbaro and please don't feel sorry for the connections when they don't win HoY cause they have the Derby in their back pocket do they not? Move on.

#7 11-28-2006, 06:46 PM

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Whatever happened to being consistent and around all year battling the best? It is not Barbaro's fault that he got hurt but my God when does it stop? Dini battled all year, stayed healthy and yet got beat by Invasor. Barbaro battled in the Spring, won the Derby but got hurt. Shiat happens, HoY goes to some horse other then Barbaro and please don't feel sorry for the connections when they don't win HoY cause they have the Derby in their back pocket do they not? Move on.

Curt,
bernadini ABSOLUTELY earned this award. No doubt.
But I think we are far enough removed from the BCC for the folks who drank the Kool Aid on bernadini to realize that they had been had.
I never said Bern wasn't very good, because any idiot could see what he was, which was exactly that.
He can and should win this award by a landslide.
I think some folks are lashing out against dini due to being embarassed over wearing the purple sneakers and buying the hype about all time great bs.
But hop over to the other thread where Hoily Bull, Cigar, easy Goer, Sunday Silence, Alysheba, Skip Away, Formal Gold, etc are being discussed, guy was even cool enough to post the beyer Figs for those horses.
You'll see that he couldn't have warmed those horses up.

sumitas · #8 11-28-2006, 06:47 PM

i'd rate his fla derby right up there with the Cigar mile as one of the greatest races of the year.

blackthroatedwind · #9 11-28-2006, 06:55 PM

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i'd rate his fla derby right up there with the Cigar mile as one of the greatest races of the year.

Who can possibly argue with that?

The second place finisher in the Florida Derby, Sharp Humor ( who lost by a head or neck ), also ran in the Cigar Mile.

I'm going to hop on the A Train out to Aqueduct now and catch him finishing.

MLC · #10 11-28-2006, 07:31 PM

I loved Barbaro, and if I were voting I probably would give him the sentimental vote. But reason and rational thinking should rule; Bernardini accomplished enough to be considered the 3 year old of the year.

Danzig · #11 11-28-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MLC

I loved Barbaro, and if I were voting I probably would give him the sentimental vote. But reason and rational thinking should rule; Bernardini accomplished enough to be considered the 3 year old of the year.

barbaro update:

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/tod...68032&subsec=1

Danzig · #12 11-28-2006, 07:35 PM

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I think some folks are lashing out against dini due to being embarassed over wearing the purple sneakers and buying the hype about all time great bs.

i have nothing to be embarrassed about, u can search high and low and you'll never find a thread where i say bernardini is anywhere near as good as barbaro was, and as to the racing all year crap...........against who? i like bernardini but if i was voting i'd pick at least 2 other horses against him in ANY category

bernardini ended the year with more graded wins than barbaro. more grade ones. won the travers over bluegrass cat, who was second to barbaro in the preakness. altho not a stellar field, bernie won the jcgc over older, a sure prerequisite to winning top 3 yo. than he ran second to only invasor in the bcc. he absolutely deserves the top 3 yo award for '06. has nothing to do with who's better. that question is unanswerable.

thankfully, barbaro is still around to generate all this talk. they have an update on him today, he's doing wonderfully, a much greater reward than any eclipse. i see a special eclipse for him and his owners in january. sports illustrated voted his vet (and a sexy beast

) as their man of the year.

as for discussion of the gate crew, it was all over this joint after the preakness.. perhaps those who brought it up will tell you who they were. i know you weren't around here at that time.

Danzig · #13 11-28-2006, 06:50 PM

you're right twomins....barbaro wasn't able to compete all year. bernardini, unlike in some years past, was able to compete, and well at that, all year. a season of wins bookended by his only two losses. he did plenty enough to get the nod.
was barbaro better? we'll never, ever know. we might think so, or not. but we won't know.

had bernie not been so consistent all year, than yes, the argument could be made for barbaro. he's a tough bastard, game as the year is long, his survival shows that.
i'd rather see a horse who did what bernie did win, than a horse who only runs part of the year...can't help but wonder if some from years past would have started again had another 3 yo started putting a streak of wins together and could challenge an early part of the year star.

Danzig · #14 11-28-2006, 06:40 PM

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i can't see his name without chokin up, or blues and royals for that matter.............but the fact is barbaro raced and raced well and anyone that thinks the preakness was not his for the taking is just......well....fill in the blank---if that had not been a nationally televised race with a tight schedule there is NO WAY they would have just shoved him back into the gate without the vet looking at him first---that is the crime i have not gotten over yet and his owners are much better people than i am cause i woulda brought the track DOWN-he shoulda been scratched from the preakness and there would not even be any discussion

no, it wasn't. horses with a lot of talent are lost before you ever get to see it. or before you get to see enough of it. what a song was one of those..

and the gate crew had NOTHING to do with barbaros injury. why is this still being mentioned as part of the story??