freedom of religion

[GBBob]

State by State:

My money is on Mississippi

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/politi...html?hpt=hp_t1

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

I think that after the young lady in New Mexico, who would not take pictures of a gay wedding because of her beliefs, was sued by the couple. The gay couple won the law suit. This is what got all of this **** rolling. The funny thing about this whole thing is in AZ right now, a business can say no to any customer. The reason doesn't matter. I ,after reading the law, feel this had nothing to do with Christians verses Gays. It would be interesting to see who was really behind both sides. Not one person in AZ thought this thing would be brought into law.The media had a field day with it and now its over and done.The states that are looking into this bill will change the wording, after seeing how badly it was written here. People and business types still flock here because of the weather and low cost of living.Is it perfect,no. There isn't a state that is.Now we will have the Pro Bowl and the following week the Super Bowl.Every once in awhile we need to stir things up.Its always fun times, but in the end,we do the right thing.

that simply isn't true. and i'd direct your attention to mississippi for another example. they managed to get the bill thru both houses, with both parties voting for it, with no noise made. and now, the pols are all realizing what they've done, and are trying to crawfish on their votes in MS. it was begun with the best of intentions, i'm sure, to protect someone's religious rights. but it all went south, because the pols were not paying attention to the larger picture, that they were essentially legalizing discrimination.
a perfect example of what paves the road to hell. the pols didn't think it thru. and now they're all trying to save face.
like george takei said, they can't decide who sits at the lunch counter. that decision has been made, years ago.

it's really too bad that it didn't pass, because i'd have LOVEDLOVEDLOVED to see a christian, and even better, one of the politicians, walk into a muslim-owned joint and get denied service. oho, that would have been just grand.
'no, it's not to protect you! just us good, god fearing christians.' that would have been hilarious.

[Danzig]

and dave:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2...riminates.html

'Arizona allows discrimination against gays and lesbians in employment, public accommodations, housing, hospital visitation, and education.'


they have a ways to go, as do other states.

[Danzig]

[quote=arizonadave;967369]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and dave:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2...riminates.html

'Arizona allows discrimination against gays and lesbians in employment, public accommodations, housing, hospital visitation, and education.'


they have a ways to go, as do other states.[/Q

Yep, thats what I said in my post. Believe me if some business tried this, with facebook,Twitter,and all the other social networks, they would go out of business.

i just don't get the thought processes of the people who are writing, supporting and voting for these really bad ideas.

[dellinger63]

If you're an American/Christian and refuse to participate in gay weddings due to religious objections in AZ. You can be sued.

Foreign muslim wanting come to America to preach the death penalty for being gay? Welcome to America.

http://nypost.com/2014/03/02/state-d...ader-into-u-s/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

So now i hear they might try to "protect" ministers and judges that refuse to do a wedding due to their religious beliefs.Always an adventure around here.

but since there's no anti-discrimination law regarding gays, what would they be 'protecting' them from?

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2...an_racism.html


as i've said before, here and elsewhere, saying 'religion' isn't enough-is it? to twist the teachings of jesus to justify hatred, vitriol, discrimination-that gives you a pass?

insert 'race' instead of 'homosexual', and tell me again how this is a-ok.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2...an_racism.html


as i've said before, here and elsewhere, saying 'religion' isn't enough-is it? to twist the teachings of jesus to justify hatred, vitriol, discrimination-that gives you a pass?

insert 'race' instead of 'homosexual', and tell me again how this is a-ok.

Saw this tweeted by @JohnFugelsang , which couldn't sum it up more succinctly:

JESUS - was a radical, nonviolent, revolutionary who hung around with Lepers, Hookers, and Crooks -
He wasn't:
American and never spoke English.
He was:
Anti-Wealth, Anti-Death Penalty, and Anti-Public Prayer (M.6-5) and

NEVER mentioned Abortion or Birth Control
NEVER called the poor "lazy"
NEVER justified torture
NEVER fought for tax cuts for the Wealthiest Nazarenes,
NEVER asked a Leper for a Co-pay

He was a Long-Haired, Brown-Skinned, Homeless, Community-Organizing, Anti-Slut-Shaming, Middle Eastern Jew.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

insert 'race' instead of 'homosexual', and tell me again how this is a-ok.

The refusal of service to the lesbian couple is wrong and should not be legal/tolerated but comparing race and homosexuality is disingenuous as homosexuals have the ability to be perceived as straight or non-sexual. African Americans don't have the ability to be white or non-African American.

And refusing to bake a cake is not necessarily indicative of 'hate' IMO