Rainbow 6

[pointman]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

Tough beat? That was a total scam...criminal...i mean seriously this sport is a joke at times

That was the textbook definition of herding. There is no doubt the 13 would have gone by if the 12 didn't come out on him.

I have seen many mind boggling calls by stewards. This was not one of them.

[cmorioles]

Worse has not only stayed up recently at Gulfstream, there wasn't even an inquiry. People want consistency, but there is none.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Worse has not only stayed up recently at Gulfstream, there wasn't even an inquiry. People want consistency, but there is none.

I agree with you a 100% on that. I constantly complain about the stewards ignoring herding and often doing so without even an inquiry.

However, for someone to call it a scam, criminal and indict the sport is absurd to me. From a purely objective standpoint as to whether the DQ was justified, it seemed clear to me that it was.

Having said that, I want the same consistency from the stewards with regard to penalizing riders for herding as well. I am tired of seeing riders take tiring horses out to herd to try to prevent a horse from going by them and getting away with it.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by pointman

I agree with you a 100% on that. I constantly complain about the stewards ignoring herding and often doing so without even an inquiry.

However, for someone to call it a scam, criminal and indict the sport is absurd to me. From a purely objective standpoint as to whether the DQ was justified, it seemed clear to me that it was.

Having said that, I want the same consistency from the stewards with regard to penalizing riders for herding as well. I am tired of seeing riders take tiring horses out to herd to try to prevent a horse from going by them and getting away with it.

I agree, though I don't think it was a clear DQ. The 13 caused some of the trouble too.

This is what inconsistency does though, leads people to not trust that decisions are made for "pure" reasons. Based on recent history, that should not have been a DQ. So when it benefits the track, it is always going to look REALLY bad.

I don't think there was anything nefarious underfoot, for the record, but I understand why people do.

[Boomtowner]

I didn't have a dog in the fight, but don't think there should have been a DQ.

Bad day for the single ticket holder, good day for the track.

Oddly, the eventual winner, who went off at 39-1 paid $9k(for .50) less than the 15-1 horse who was dq'd would have paid in the P5.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Boomtowner

I didn't have a dog in the fight, but don't think there should have been a DQ.

Bad day for the single ticket holder, good day for the track.

Oddly, the eventual winner, who went off at 39-1 paid $9k(for .50) less than the 15-1 horse who was dq'd would have paid in the P5.

This leaves me confused as to where you believe the conspiracy lies. Is it the track to keep the rainbow six pool going?

Is it a bettor who had pounded the 13 in the pk5? Several bettors who conspired together?

A combination of all these mysterious people?

Lee Harvey Oswald?

[Boomtowner]

Originally Posted by pointman

This leaves me confused as to where you believe the conspiracy lies. Is it the track to keep the rainbow six pool going?

Is it a bettor who had pounded the 13 in the pk5? Several bettors who conspired together?

A combination of all these mysterious people?

Lee Harvey Oswald?

Sorry you got so confused. I think you are the one with all the conspiracy theories. I stated a few facts.

Originally Posted by Boomtowner

I didn't have a dog in the fight, but don't think there should have been a DQ.

Bad day for the single ticket holder, good day for the track.

Oddly, the eventual winner, who went off at 39-1 paid $9k(for .50) less than the 15-1 horse who was dq'd would have paid in the P5.

How is the Pick 5 that paid less is good for the track? The takeout is fixed regardless who wins.

However, having the Rainbow 6 carryover at 1.3 million is a good promotion for the track and was possibly the incentive for the DQ.

[Boomtowner]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

How is the Pick 5 that paid less is good for the track? The takeout is fixed regardless who wins.

However, having the Rainbow 6 carryover at 1.3 million is a good promotion for the track and was possibly the incentive for the DQ.

Again, I didn't say the P5 that paid less is good for the track. I said it was a bad day for the single ticket holder in the P6 and that was good for the track. I guess that last sentence could have been clearer, referring to the P5 instead of the P6.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

However, having the Rainbow 6 carryover at 1.3 million is a good promotion for the track and was possibly the incentive for the DQ.

It is also great for the bettors, except the one bettor who had the lone ticket.

Call it being politically correct.