Showing Up Wins Hollywood Derby

[blackthroatedwind]

I think it makes a lot of sense to run Showing Up on the dirt...at least in the beginning of the year. He has already shown that he is at least VERY good on the dirt and I would assume a Grade 1 or two on the dirt would greatly enhance his value and stud potential. I would target the Met Mile, which is a perfect race for him, especially if Discreet Cat is not coming. The only problem with that is the Manhattan, a Grade 1 at 1 1/4 on the turf, is just a week away. However, winning that is only dollars, and wouldn't enhance his value, and I doubt these owners are overly concerned with earnings. The big turf races really don't start until the Arlington Million. Truthfully I think they would be very foolish to never try this horse on the dirt in a Grade 1...and Tagg is no fool.

I just love watching this horse run. At a time with few good horses he is genuinely a good horse. No hype. He just runs well every time.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think it makes a lot of sense to run Showing Up on the dirt...at least in the beginning of the year. He has already shown that he is at least VERY good on the dirt and I would assume a Grade 1 or two on the dirt would greatly enhance his value and stud potential. I would target the Met Mile, which is a perfect race for him, especially if Discreet Cat is not coming. The only problem with that is the Manhattan, a Grade 1 at 1 1/4 on the turf, is just a week away. However, winning that is only dollars, and wouldn't enhance his value, and I doubt these owners are overly concerned with earnings. The big turf races really don't start until the Arlington Million. Truthfully I think they would be very foolish to never try this horse on the dirt in a Grade 1...and Tagg is no fool.

I just love watching this horse run. At a time with few good horses he is genuinely a good horse. No hype. He just runs well every time.

Andy, I had to respond to this. Showing Up has tried a Grade 1 on the dirt... I know you meant next year before the Arlington Million, but I felt like giving you shiat.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Andy, I had to respond to this. Showing Up has tried a Grade 1 on the dirt... I know you meant next year before the Arlington Million, but I felt like giving you shiat.

If you're going to attempt to correct me at least do it coherently. I think it is pretty apparent that I was referring to his future when I said " never try him in a Grade 1 ". I am acutely aware that he ran in the Derby...in fact I could recite his entire pps in about 8 seconds off the top of my head. Perhaps you may remember that I was touting him in the Swale, from which he was scratched, on another board where I believe you posted.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If you're going to attempt to correct me at least do it coherently. I think it is pretty apparent that I was referring to his future when I said " never try him in a Grade 1 ". I am acutely aware that he ran in the Derby...in fact I could recite his entire pps in about 8 seconds off the top of my head. Perhaps you may remember that I was touting him in the Swale, from which he was scratched, on another board where I believe you posted.

I've never posted on any other board besides this one and the ESPN one... BUT, I was kidding around with you. (As I stated.)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I've never posted on any other board besides this one and the ESPN one... BUT, I was kidding around with you. (As I stated.)

I know you were kidding....but that still doesn't preclude you from being right. Believe me, I give enough material to mock me, you will just have to be more clever.

For some reason I thought you used to post on the old TT Forum. I gushed about Showing Up there after seeing his maiden win a few times. It's worth watching again.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I know you were kidding....but that still doesn't preclude you from being right. Believe me, I give enough material to mock me, you will just have to be more clever.

For some reason I thought you used to post on the old TT Forum. I gushed about Showing Up there after seeing his maiden win a few times. It's worth watching again.

Andy, you seem to like to attack the college kids so maybe you can help me understand your post.

You loved Showing Up's maiden win and gushed about it on the TT Forum. Well he won his maiden at Gulfstream this year because he was lame as a two year old and Barclay couldn't get him to the track. Was their a TT Forum in February of this year when he broke his maiden?

Also, I am not sure how you would know he was going to be a great turf horse based on his maiden race on the dirt. Are you so good you just knew this or are you just a pedigree expert that knew Strategic Mission was a great turf sire? LOL.

For the record, and I believe I had to correct some false information about Showing Up that was discussed on a radioshow you often appear on, Barclay only switched him to the turf to avoid Barbaro. While Barclay owns another Strategic Mission, Stratonic, who runs on the grass, except when Tim Walters trains him on the woodchips at Fairhill, Showing Up likely would have stayed on the dirt because that is where the money is. He probably would have been a West Virginia Derby type horse and racked up money in good spots, where Barclay is an expert at finding them. Barbaro, and Showing Up's problems as a 2yr old and even his minor injuries at 3 (turf is a little easier on horses-which most already know) were basically what made the turf the way to go. $1,000,000 didn't hurt either.

For those that would like to watch his maiden win, which impressed the connections, but it was actually his track record setting win over the highly regarded Chatain and Flanders Fields that made people believers, you can watch it here. While he beat High Finance in his maiden, High Finance at the time was not really regarded like a Chatain.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...howing_up/#top

George you are tiresome, and the head troll in charge of those college kids.

You've posted more disinformation about everything than anyone I can imagine.
You were the one who told us that Showing Up would run in the million dollar race that he passed.
You also told us condescendingly that Bernadini would win the BCC in record time and stand for 250 grand. Lots of folks believed that and went out and started stockpiling AP Indy sons to stand at studs in all states looking to capitalize on the bandwagon effect that Bern was supposed to have.
Now they get to suffer from diminished bandwagon effect and are holding sires they overpaid for that they can't sell shares in. I know of a few.
The real wiseguys not only didn't bet Bern, but also didn't go buying stallions or shares in stallions by Ap Indy at inflated prices pre Breeders Cup.
So if you wanna talk like a big man about trying to play mighty lawyer and getting down on some mistaken information, perhaps you should look at the misinformation that YOU SPOUTED about things and look in the mirror.

Knowing someone who knows someone who knows someone is not really a big deal.
Its kinda like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. You can tie anyone working in Hollywood to Kevin Bacon by using 6 degrees of association.
Just about anyone here in the business knows someone who knows someone who knows someone, etc.
I don't really get the point of your posts, or of grooming these college kids to act like miscreants.
Here we have a thread in which the excitement and praise for Showing Up is flowing smoothly.
The natural thing to do after a big win at the end of the racing year is to specualte on what the future will bring for him or her.
Its fun to do that these days because so many horses go off to stud and we don't get a chance to see them again. BTW speculating on what this horse may do at age 4 is not really a big deal.
I also bet SU in his debut because my clocker said he was working incredibly, he wasn't exactly a secret and his Derby was a monstous effort.
I don't care who you know, and I doubt anyone else here does either.
BTW and I aren't friends, but I've known him a long time and can promise you that either he or I could shred the knowledge of ANYONE you know in the business with ease.
Its apparent you post with an agenda, and its kinda lame. You act as a cheerleader for people that someone you know, knows. You wanna show up those who actually know whats going on in the business by tossing about "what you heard".
In summation, your act is lame.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Andy, you seem to like to attack the college kids so maybe you can help me understand your post.

You loved Showing Up's maiden win and gushed about it on the TT Forum. Well he won his maiden at Gulfstream this year because he was lame as a two year old and Barclay couldn't get him to the track. Was their a TT Forum in February of this year when he broke his maiden?

Also, I am not sure how you would know he was going to be a great turf horse based on his maiden race on the dirt. Are you so good you just knew this or are you just a pedigree expert that knew Strategic Mission was a great turf sire? LOL.

For the record, and I believe I had to correct some false information about Showing Up that was discussed on a radioshow you often appear on, Barclay only switched him to the turf to avoid Barbaro. While Barclay owns another Strategic Mission, Stratonic, who runs on the grass, except when Tim Walters trains him on the woodchips at Fairhill, Showing Up likely would have stayed on the dirt because that is where the money is. He probably would have been a West Virginia Derby type horse and racked up money in good spots, where Barclay is an expert at finding them. Barbaro, and Showing Up's problems as a 2yr old and even his minor injuries at 3 (turf is a little easier on horses-which most already know) were basically what made the turf the way to go. $1,000,000 didn't hurt either.

For those that would like to watch his maiden win, which impressed the connections, but it was actually his track record setting win over the highly regarded Chatain and Flanders Fields that made people believers, you can watch it here. While he beat High Finance in his maiden, High Finance at the time was not really regarded like a Chatain.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...howing_up/#top

Showing Up was not moved to the grass to avoid Barbaro. Showing Up did not try the grass until a month after Barbaro broke down. Barbaro broke down on May 20th. Showing Up's first grass race was at colonial on June 24th.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Andy, you seem to like to attack the college kids so maybe you can help me understand your post.

You loved Showing Up's maiden win and gushed about it on the TT Forum. Well he won his maiden at Gulfstream this year because he was lame as a two year old and Barclay couldn't get him to the track. Was their a TT Forum in February of this year?

Also, I am not sure how you would know he was going to be a great turf horse based on his maiden race on the dirt. Are you so good you just knew this or are you just a pedigree expert that knew Strategic Mission was a great turf sire? LOL.

For the record, and I believe I had to correct some false information about Showing Up that was discussed on a radioshow you often appear on, Barclay only switched him to the turf to avoid Barbaro. While Barclay owns another Strategic Mission, Stratonic, who runs on the grass, except when Tim Walters trains him on the woodchips at Fairhill, Showing Up likely would have stayed on the dirt because that is where the money is. He probably would have been a West Virginia Derby type horse and racked up money in good spots, where Barclay is an expert at finding them. Barbaro and Showing Up's problems as a 2yr old and even his minor injuries at 3 (turf is a little easier on horses-which most already know) were basically what made the turf the way to go. $1,000,000 didn't hurt either.

For those that would like to watch his maiden win, which impressed the connections, but it was actually his win over the highly regarded Chatain and Flanders Fields that made people believers, you can watch it here.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...howing_up/#top

Hang on a second, you aren't doing what I think you are, you aren't suggesting I made up the story about posting on a message board about liking Showing Up after his maiden win? That's not possible. Even you can't be THAT ridiculous.

Dude, obviously I know the Thoroughbred Times shut their board down long before 2006. I also know, and apparently you don't, but in your usual false bravado feel compelled to continuously talk about that which you don't know as though you are an authority, that people from that board formed another board and most of the posters from TT migrated there. Many of those posters are here, Philski and King Glorious come to mind, and can confirm this for you....and also probably my Showing Up thoughts if you're that desperate for proof. But, seriously dude, it's hardly a claim in need of validation. Why would I lie about that? Think about it.

As for correcting something from a show " I appear on ", as though somehow you are now saying anything associated with that show is tied to me, call them up and give them the straight dope if you like. I'm sure they would appreciate it. As for me, I understand why he went to the turf, as I understand as clearly as possible the value of dirt Graded stakes wins versus turf ones.

The " correcting college kids " line makes no sense, by the way, as on this board everyone is just a name. Your posts define you.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hang on a second, you aren't doing what I think you are, you aren't suggesting I made up the story about posting on a message board about liking Showing Up after his maiden win? That's not possible. Even you can't be THAT ridiculous.

Dude, obviously I know the Thoroughbred Times shut their board down long before 2006. I also know, and apparently you don't, but in your usual false bravado feel compelled to continuously talk about that which you don't know as though you are an authority, that people from that board formed another board and most of the posters from TT migrated there. Many of those posters are here, Philski and King Glorious come to mind, and can confirm this for you....and also probably my Showing Up thoughts if you're that desperate for proof. But, seriously dude, it's hardly a claim in need of validation. Why would I lie about that? Think about it.

As for correcting something from a show " I appear on ", as though somehow you are now saying anything associated with that show is tied to me, call them up and give them the straight dope if you like. I'm sure they would appreciate it. As for me, I understand why he went to the turf, as I understand as clearly as possible the value of dirt Graded stakes wins versus turf ones.

The " correcting college kids " line makes no sense, by the way, as on this board everyone is just a name. Your posts define you.

Not that you need it to confirm the d*ckless attack about the "TT Forum" but I know as well as many others do, even though it's no longer the "official" TT Forum it's the same gang and most even call it the TT Forum.

And I actually watched a replay of Showing Up's maiden win after BTW had talked about it, along with another unnamed person gushing over Bernardini's maiden win around the same time (well, a broken clock is right twice a day in that person's case...)

Why is it that everyone desires to attack each other? I mean we all AGREE on this one, for christ's sakes!

[repent]

should get consideration for 3YO honors.

Im the biggest fan of both Barbaro and DCat, but Showing Up simply had a more complete 3YO season no matter the reasons.

Bern should and will win the award though.
that was the most complete and impressive 3YO season put together.


Repent

[blackthroatedwind]

I don't disagree and won't be surprised to see him finish third behind Bernardini and Barbaro.

He certainly would get my vote over Bluegrass Cat or Jazil.

Then again, the eclipse awards are a total joke.

[repent]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't disagree and won't be surprised to see him finish third behind Bernardini and Barbaro.

He certainly would get my vote over Bluegrass Cat or Jazil.

Then again, the eclipse awards are a total joke.

yes that is true, but they are important within the industry from what I can tell.

anyway, yeah Jazil should not even be a finalist for Maktoum 3YO of the year.




Repent

[KirisClown]

For anyone who missed it...

What a nice turn of foot he has.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBa202IdwWY

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by repent

should get consideration for 3YO honors.

Im the biggest fan of both Barbaro and DCat, but Showing Up simply had a more complete 3YO season no matter the reasons.

Bern should and will win the award though.
that was the most complete and impressive 3YO season put together.


Repent

I was thinking Showing Up should as well, but he definitely seems to be getting ignored in the mentions. I'd love to see them go after the big awards on Turf and Dirt next year, but from the interview it seemed that they feel he really isn't up to par on dirt...maybe they will change their minds once the first few Graded Stakes on dirt are run. Invasor will miss a fair amount of time running in Dubai and there really aren't that many fabulous horses left for the older male division.

Oh yeah, and stop being mean to Jazil.

[brockguy]

decent run by the winner, but nothing to get carried away with... he'll be a force next year in the US, but think English Channel will be a better horse than him next year (if he's not retired!)

Well said. They are responsible for putting a ton of money into the business and helping employ many americans.

There is no reason to continue racing this horse. He will start at $250K and he will have no problem filling his book. This is the horse they will depend on for their derby horses for years to come.

Remember, they have Discreet Cat for their big race.

What big race would Bernardini being going after next year. He can't run in the derby, so what would be the point? Once you win the BC Classic there isn't much to target.

The pedigree on this horse is the best there has ever been. He will have a huge impact on the breed.


Do you recognize the words from your post George?
Is this not misinformation like the misinfo that you posted about setting straight?
You stated this as a fact, not as an opinion. Tsk tsk tsk.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well said. They are responsible for putting a ton of money into the business and helping employ many americans.

There is no reason to continue racing this horse. He will start at $250K and he will have no problem filling his book. This is the horse they will depend on for their derby horses for years to come.

Remember, they have Discreet Cat for their big race.

What big race would Bernardini being going after next year. He can't run in the derby, so what would be the point? Once you win the BC Classic there isn't much to target.

The pedigree on this horse is the best there has ever been. He will have a huge impact on the breed.


Do you recognize the words from your post George?
Is this not misinformation like the misinfo that you posted about setting straight?
You stated this as a fact, not as an opinion. Tsk tsk tsk.

It is a message board and I don't own him. He lost. Do people go pulling at your nearly 5000 posts (do you have a job, a wife/girlfriend, hobby?, LOL).

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is a message board and I don't own him. He lost. Do people go pulling at your nearly 5000 posts (do you have a job, a wife/girlfriend, hobby?, LOL).

So basically you are saying that you repeated information that you were told which turned out to be inaccurate.
Thats certainly no crime, as everyone else here knows.
The crime is in posting like a big bad guy, and telling everyone how you set Steve straight for doing the same thing.
Its old, its tiresome, and noone cares.
I think that about covers it pretty well.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

So basically you are saying that you repeated information that you were told which turned out to be inaccurate.
Thats certainly no crime, as everyone else here knows.
The crime is in posting like a big bad guy, and telling everyone how you set Steve straight for doing the same thing.
Its old, its tiresome, and noone cares.
I think that about covers it pretty well.

No. I admit when I am wrong. It happens a lot in this business. Now you, who buys one horse every 5 years for somebody else, you might not know this. LOL.

Stick to arguing with college kids. It suits you.

Maybe you can start some rumors about another Jackson horse next year and I can come back and put you in your place again. LOL.

The college kids are no longer going to post here. I gave them a board that isn't full of old men like you that are living through other people's horses. LOL.

I just had to put you fools in your place before I left. You being the king fool.

You can now cry to your friend Steve and have him remove this thread.

Don't worry, we will meet next summer and I will put you in your place. Nice hatchet job on Michael Dickinson by the way. I guess jealousy of the real players in the game gets to you nobodies. LOL.