Discreet Cat's Beyer was a 115

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

See Ghostzapper is already there, so that's unfair. I venture to say that Discreet is a consistently faster 3 yr old. That's all you can say at this point.

Ghostzapper retired with a grand total of 4 grade 1 wins in 4 years of racing.

Invasor won that many this year alone.

Discreet Cat will likely finish with 5 or 6 in 3 years of racing. He has to win them though or obviously he is not an all-time great. He would likely win the Dubai Classic, Breeders Cup Classic, Met Mile type race, Whitney, and JCGC and have to beat Invasor to do it all. Not easy, but if he does it, he is an all-time great.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Revolution

Ghostzapper retired with a grand total of 4 grade 1 wins in 4 years of racing.

Invasor won that many this year alone.

Discreet Cat will likely finish with 5 or 6 in 3 years of racing. He has to win them though or obviously he is not an all-time great. He would likely win the Dubai Classic, Breeders Cup Classic, Met Mile type race, Whitney, and JCGC and have to beat Invasor to do it all. Not easy, but if he does it, he is an all-time great.

I agree with that. But he still has to do it.

[todko]

Wow, I'm actually starting to have a little bit of faith in Beyer numbers. That 115 is about what DC deserves. The track was ridiculously fast.

DC is very good. Much better than Bernardini ever was or ever would be. DC's not Ghostzapper. And don't hold your breath about seeing him much next year.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by todko

Wow, I'm actually starting to have a little bit of faith in Beyer numbers.

I am sure everyone at Beyer Associates is breathing a deep sigh of relief.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am sure everyone at Beyer Associates is breathing a deep sigh of relief.

Of course, there's still that little matter of the 116 (cough, cough) Beyer gave Sinister Minister in April.

Beyer better start offering a dental plan over there.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Of course, there's still that little matter of the 116 (cough, cough) Beyer gave Sinister Minister in April.

Beyer better start offering a dental plan over there.

That was obviously a very difficult number to make...as is any that are made for races run, and won, over extremely biased surfaces. You are probably right, it should have been higher, but I guess one could say they erred on the side of caution.

Certainly any handicapper that expected that number to be even remotely duplicated on Derby Day is long broke and whatever he ( or she ) lost on that hopeless no shotter is inconsequential relative to their continued horseplaying losses.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Of course, there's still that little matter of the 116 (cough, cough) Beyer gave Sinister Minister in April.

Beyer better start offering a dental plan over there.

The 116 wasn't necessarily "wrong", but never to ever be duplicated. As noted above by someone quoting Ragozin, horses run their best (sometimes freakish) numbers when they get the perfect setup, and that's exactly what Sinister Minister had as the lone speed in the race AND the Keeneland rail conveyor belt to boot. There wasn't a chance in the world he'd ever run back to that on Derby Day, or any other day for that matter.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I love how you are already giving DC multiple grade 1 wins next year. Nothing like speculation. Sorry if I'm not ready to give him HOY for next year, not just yet.

I am confused, Discreet Cat ( and for that matter NoBizlikeshowbiz ) didn't even run at Aqueduct yesterday....or at least that's what Revolution's alter ego George Washington told us last week.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am confused, Discreet Cat ( and for that matter NoBizlikeshowbiz ) didn't even run at Aqueduct yesterday....or at least that's what Revolution's alter ego George Washington told us last week.

If I had their money I wouldn't be here wasting my time talking to you.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Revolution

If I had their money I wouldn't be here wasting my time talking to you.

Spoken like a true genius.