Discreet Cat's Beyer was a 115

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Incidently,
Did Zapper ever run a 115 in his 3 yr old season. Nope, Discreet has done it 2 times....But Discreet is not in the air of a Zapper yet and I didn't say he was. I simply put that I thought the performance was Zapperesque. No more, no less. His 4yr old season will show us the way.

This very well may be the case Randall. He may turn out to be the all time greatest. I'm not saying it isn't possible, because his raw talent is incredible.
But Ghost's Vosburgh was every bit the race that DC's Cigar was, every single bit.

[Revolution]

Discreet Cat=Undefeated Track Record Holder.

Ghostzapper= Loser to Valid Video and Great Notion.


Valid Video. Great Notion.

Ghost who?

[blackthroatedwind]

Ghostzapper got a 116 in the Vosburgh as a 3YO.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Ghostzapper got a 116 in the Vosburgh as a 3YO.

Discreet's number in this is a 116 as well. Of course Ghost wasn't giving weight to elders in the Vos, in fact he got a break....But no matter.

[Revolution]

Discreet Cat goes 5 for 5 next year and retires undefeated and he will join the all-time greats. Ghostzapper is never getting there.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Revolution

Discreet Cat goes 5 for 5 next year and retires undefeated and he will join the all-time greats. Ghostzapper is never getting there.

See Ghostzapper is already there, so that's unfair. I venture to say that Discreet is a consistently faster 3 yr old. That's all you can say at this point.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

See Ghostzapper is already there, so that's unfair. I venture to say that Discreet is a consistently faster 3 yr old. That's all you can say at this point.

Ghostzapper retired with a grand total of 4 grade 1 wins in 4 years of racing.

Invasor won that many this year alone.

Discreet Cat will likely finish with 5 or 6 in 3 years of racing. He has to win them though or obviously he is not an all-time great. He would likely win the Dubai Classic, Breeders Cup Classic, Met Mile type race, Whitney, and JCGC and have to beat Invasor to do it all. Not easy, but if he does it, he is an all-time great.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Discreet's number in this is a 116 as well. Of course Ghost wasn't giving weight to elders in the Vos, in fact he got a break....But no matter.

Not sure the argument, and I never understood the reluctance to either admit that Ghostzapper was an exceptional animal, or detract from one horse because another is good.

Right now Ghostzapper has Grade 1 wins at 6 1/2 furlongs, one mile, 1 1/8 miles and 1 1/4 miles, each one in exceptionally fast time. Discreet Cat has the opportunity to at least reasonably match that. I think ALL racing fans hope that he at least gets that opportunity. Nothing he does will diminish Ghostzappers accomplishments and awesome performances.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not sure the argument, and I never understood the reluctance to either admit that Ghostzapper was an exceptional animal, or detract from one horse because another is good.

Right now Ghostzapper has Grade 1 wins at 6 1/2 furlongs, one mile, 1 1/8 miles and 1 1/4 miles, each one in exceptionally fast time. Discreet Cat has the opportunity to at least reasonably match that. I think ALL racing fans hope that he at least gets that opportunity. Nothing he does will diminish Ghostzappers accomplishments and awesome performances.

Just pointing it out Andy. As I've said many times on here, I believe Zapper and Mineshaft were the 2 best horses since Spec Bid. Obviously Zapper was a unique and dynamic a horse as you are going to see....And the way Discreet runs is similar at least so far.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Just pointing it out Andy. As I've said many times on here, I believe Zapper and Mineshaft were the 2 best horses since Spec Bid. Obviously Zapper was a unique and dynamic a horse as you are going to see....And the way Discreet runs is similar at least so far.

In that photo was the LAST time you'll EVER get 5-1 on him again!

Who cares what his beyer was. If he won and his beyer was 95 would that keep you from betting him in his next race? I don't think so. Beyers are one of the components that play a role in handicapping. Beyers coupled with times are a good tool.