Andrew Luck

[knickslions2]

This gets funnier by the minute. You put Tony Romo on San Fran or Seattle with those defenses and the are guarenteed Super Bowl Champs. Wilson and Kap are average quarterbacks on teams with very good defenses.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

This gets funnier by the minute. You put Tony Romo on San Fran or Seattle with those defenses and the are guarenteed Super Bowl Champs. Wilson and Kap are average quarterbacks on teams with very good defenses.

You mean it isn't Luck's fault that his team gave up more than 80 points in the 2 playoff games this year? Huh

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

You mean it isn't Luck's fault that his team gave up more than 80 points in the 2 playoff games this year? Huh

Well hell he should have scored 81 right. Then he could have made RHT list

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

You mean it isn't Luck's fault that his team gave up more than 80 points in the 2 playoff games this year? Huh

You guys are crazy. Who tossed the interceptions?

[JJP]

3 playoff games

55% completion percentage
6 TD
8 INTs
1 win 2 losses

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by JJP

3 playoff games

55% completion percentage
6 TD
8 INTs
1 win 2 losses

Look at the pieces he has around him. He has made TY Hilton. LaVon Brazill? Griff Whalen? A back-up RB who had to replace an ineffective starter?

The Colts had none of the necessary parts that the remaining teams have. NE is surging right now because their running game is ridiculously strong. In their last 3 games, Brady is 41-75 for 492 yds, 2TDs and 1 INT. They've beautifully transitioned into a power running team without Gronk. Seattle has a marquee RB, depth at WR and a solid TE. Luck never had the luxury of a strong running game or a set of dynamic receivers (SF and Denver both have these).

The job that he did this year, especially when they were in a tail spin following Wayne's injury, was terrific. They've also had 2 different offensive coordinators in his first two years. Give him another piece or two and another year in the system and just watch. Let's not even touch on their defense...

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Look at the pieces he has around him. He has made TY Hilton. LaVon Brazill? Griff Whalen? A back-up RB who had to replace an ineffective starter?

The Colts had none of the necessary parts that the remaining teams have. NE is surging right now because their running game is ridiculously strong. In their last 3 games, Brady is 41-75 for 492 yds, 2TDs and 1 INT. They've beautifully transitioned into a power running team without Gronk. Seattle has a marquee RB, depth at WR and a solid TE. Luck never had the luxury of a strong running game or a set of dynamic receivers (SF and Denver both have these).

The job that he did this year, especially when they were in a tail spin following Wayne's injury, was terrific. They've also had 2 different offensive coordinators in his first two years. Give him another piece or two and another year in the system and just watch. Let's not even touch on their defense...

Based on talks I had here with a bunch of Pats fans I know, Bronco fans and Pats fans agree that Luck is one step away from being the next great QB.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Based on talks I had here with a bunch of Pats fans I know, Bronco fans and Pats fans agree that Luck is one step away from being the next great QB.

Having watched a good bit of him in college and now in the NFL, I agree. I was at the Texans-Colts Sunday night game, and the comeback that he orchestrated is something that only a short list of current QBs in the NFL could do.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Look at the pieces he has around him. He has made TY Hilton. LaVon Brazill? Griff Whalen? A back-up RB who had to replace an ineffective starter?

The Colts had none of the necessary parts that the remaining teams have. NE is surging right now because their running game is ridiculously strong. In their last 3 games, Brady is 41-75 for 492 yds, 2TDs and 1 INT. They've beautifully transitioned into a power running team without Gronk. Seattle has a marquee RB, depth at WR and a solid TE. Luck never had the luxury of a strong running game or a set of dynamic receivers (SF and Denver both have these).

The job that he did this year, especially when they were in a tail spin following Wayne's injury, was terrific. They've also had 2 different offensive coordinators in his first two years. Give him another piece or two and another year in the system and just watch. Let's not even touch on their defense...

Excellent post Nick (especially the part when Reggie Wayne went down)

[JJP]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Look at the pieces he has around him. He has made TY Hilton. LaVon Brazill? Griff Whalen? A back-up RB who had to replace an ineffective starter?

The Colts had none of the necessary parts that the remaining teams have. NE is surging right now because their running game is ridiculously strong. In their last 3 games, Brady is 41-75 for 492 yds, 2TDs and 1 INT. They've beautifully transitioned into a power running team without Gronk. Seattle has a marquee RB, depth at WR and a solid TE. Luck never had the luxury of a strong running game or a set of dynamic receivers (SF and Denver both have these).

The job that he did this year, especially when they were in a tail spin following Wayne's injury, was terrific. They've also had 2 different offensive coordinators in his first two years. Give him another piece or two and another year in the system and just watch. Let's not even touch on their defense...

I actually LIKE Luck, but if he's going to get all the credit, he has to accept blame when he throws 3 or 4 picks.

Seattle has depth at WR and a solid TE? I'd take the Colts receivers over Seattle's. Baldwin is not a legit starting WR and even Tate is a number 2, at best. We really can't count Harvin because he's played about 3 quarters all season. I'll take Fleener over Zach Miller, who at best is average. And as for NE, they looked like a good running team against a poor run defense. If they somehow manage to beat Denver, and I don't think they will, Seattle or San Fran will completely shut down their running game.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by JJP

I actually LIKE Luck, but if he's going to get all the credit, he has to accept blame when he throws 3 or 4 picks.

Seattle has depth at WR and a solid TE? I'd take the Colts receivers over Seattle's. Baldwin is not a legit starting WR and even Tate is a number 2, at best. We really can't count Harvin because he's played about 3 quarters all season. I'll take Fleener over Zach Miller, who at best is average. And as for NE, they looked like a good running team against a poor run defense. If they somehow manage to beat Denver, and I don't think they will, Seattle or San Fran will completely shut down their running game.

I don't know where Luck did not accept blame. No one excused him from receiving blame, my point was that he is attempting to do more with less.

As far as individual personnel goes, there's no chance anyone would take the receiving corps that Luck had on Saturday night over what Wilson currently has, even without Harvin and Rice. Guys like Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin are proven commodities in the NFL. Zach Miller is a pro bowler who had 192 catches between 2008 and 2010 for 2268 yards catching passes from the likes of JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, Jason Campbell, Kyle Boller, Daunte Culpepper, and Charlie Frye. He led the Seahawks in TD catches this year and missed 2 games. Fleener has incredible talent and is one you'd buy moving forward if given a choice between he and Miller, but Miller is absolutely a solid TE.

Tate and Baldwin combined for 114 receptions and 1676 yards this year, most of which was played without the team's two best receivers. That's depth.

LaVon Brazill's career high in receptions in one game was 3 prior to Saturday night. He didn't even play until Week 6 this year and had a total of 23 catches in his career coming into the playoffs. Whalen had 24 catches on the season coming into the playoffs. They got the typical 0 out of the oft-injured Hayward-Bey down the stretch. Whalen and Brazill had very similar stats to Jermaine Kearse, who is Seattle's 5th option at wide receiver when everyone's healthy.

All of this doesn't include the fact that Seattle has one of the best RBs in the league, while Luck had the god awful Trent Richardson and Donald Brown.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

This gets funnier by the minute. You put Tony Romo on San Fran or Seattle with those defenses and the are guarenteed Super Bowl Champs. Wilson and Kap are average quarterbacks on teams with very good defenses.

lol Tony Romo is a joke. Keep telling yourself this though, then act like I have the shitty opinion. Wilson and Kap are the future of the NFL. Not Luck and Romo.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

This gets funnier by the minute. You put Tony Romo on San Fran or Seattle with those defenses and the are guarenteed Super Bowl Champs. Wilson and Kap are average quarterbacks on teams with very good defenses.

Romo is a fantasy league specialist. He is not an elite quarterback. He also has one of the top WRs in the league in Dez Bryant and one of the top TEs in Witten. You've got to be joking. I suppose teams would be great with Matthew Stafford as well....