Thor's Echo at Laurel

[pick4]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I see no reason why he isnt the Eclipse winner. But he ran a great race today like he has done his last two races before today. I am just waiting for the people who believe in "bounces" to chime in. I mean he has to bounce at some point.

Could Thors Echo run 6f in 1:07 and change and pass Discreet Cat?

Originally Posted by pick4

Could Thors Echo run 6f in 1:07 and change and pass Discreet Cat?

I mean for best sprinter. But I dont think he could beat Cat

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pick4

Could Thors Echo run 6f in 1:07 and change and pass Discreet Cat?

I don't think so. He'd never catch Discreet Cat.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

DC could start backwords in the gate and still beat him going 6F

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I saw the race,and thought Diabolical was best.I knew nobody wanted to read that (so I didn't write about it.) Diabolical was full of run,and for the most part the jock wasn't able to use it. I would imagine the figure for this race will be quite a bit lower than the one Thors got in the B.C. HE BEAT NIGHTMARE AFFAIR by less than a length today.He beat that same horse by 4 1/2 lengths with the inside bias on B.C. Day.THORS ECHO is a good horse,but the reason he drew off to win so easily in the B.C.(AND LESS EASILY IN THE DE FRANCIS) was the inside bias that he enjoyed on the BACKSTRETCH AT CHURCHILL.

[brianwspencer]

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[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

with all due respect.

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and same to you.T.E. is a hard trying blue collar horse.I think PT TOO was the best sprinter this year,but didn't race enough.So,(as usual,) T.E. shows up for the fight,and should be rewarded for it with an Eclipse Award.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

with all due respect.

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as a matter of fact I would take about 15-20 horses in a match race at 6F over this donkey

[ArlJim78]

blah blah blah, rail bias blah blah blah, horse is a freak blah blah blah, best interest of the horse blah blah blah, good night i'm going to bed.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DiscreetCat=Monster

blah blah not even close to the best sprinter blah blah blah

as a matter of fact I would take about 15-20 horses in a match race at 6F over this donkey

for the sake of being sporting -- go for it and name even 10 horse who would beat this one in a match race at 6f.

see how i said 10, you said 15-20.

i'm only asking for 10...you stand no chance of finding 10 horses who could hold a candle to our 2006 Eclipse winner.

Which means I'm only asking you to be 66% correct, and I'm sure I'll still be ahead of you

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I saw the race,and thought Diabolical was best.I knew nobody wanted to read that (so I didn't write about it.) Diabolical was full of run,and for the most part the jock wasn't able to use it. I would imagine the figure for this race will be quite a bit lower than the one Thors got in the B.C. HE BEAT NIGHTMARE AFFAIR by less than a length today.He beat that same horse by 4 1/2 lengths with the inside bias on B.C. Day.THORS ECHO is a good horse,but the reason he drew off to win so easily in the B.C.(AND LESS EASILY IN THE DE FRANCIS) was the inside bias that he enjoyed on the BACKSTRETCH AT CHURCHILL.

I played Diabgolical and didn't see the race. I expected Thor's Echo to bounce. Thor's echo and Henny Hughs had about the same splash this year.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Henny Hughes
Silver Train
Discreet Cat
Kane Hekili
Agnes Jedi
Silent Whitness
Takeover Target
Proud Tower Too

and for s hi ts and giggles he couldn't of beat badge of silver yesterday, and as a matter of fact diabolical was best in the race thor's echo won.

How can they give the sprint eclipse to a horse that hadn't won a race since Aug 05 before the BC. That is just funny!

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Now thats the resume of the worlds best sprinter, he got beat at hoosier praire meadows, and sunland park LMAO!!!! he didn't even beat statebreads!!!

Track Date Race Class Distance Condition Jockey FP
Laurel Park 11/25/06 10 Frank J. De Francis Memorial Dash S., Gr. 1, STAKES [3U] Dirt, 6F wf Nakatani, C 1

Churchill 11/04/06 6 TVG Breeders' Cup Sprint, Gr. 1, STAKES [3U] Dirt, 6F wf Nakatani, C 1

Oak Tree 10/07/06 9 Ancient Title Breeders' Cup S., Gr. 1, STAKES [3U] Dirt, 6F wf Cohen, D 2

Del Mar 08/16/06 7 STAKES [3U] Turf, 5F sf Nakatani, C 4

Santa Anita 02/19/06 7 STAKES [4U] Dirt, 6 1/2F Nakatani, C 2

Gulfstream 01/28/06 6 STAKES [4U] Dirt, 6F wf Bailey, J 4

Santa Anita 12/26/05 8 Malibu S. (Grade 1) Stakes [3] 7 Furlongs Fast Espinoza V 3

Oak Tree 11/06/05 7 California Cup Sprint H.Stakes [3U] 6 Furlongs Fast Espinoza V 3

Hoosier Park 10/01/05 9 Indiana Derby (Grade 2) Stakes [3] 1 1/16 Miles Fast Martinez F F 3

Del Mar 08/12/05 7 Real Good Deal S.Stakes [3] 7 Furlongs Fast Nakatani C S 1

Prairie Meadows 07/01/05 8 Iowa DerbyStakes [3] 1 1/16 Miles Fast Nakatani C S 3

Lone Star 05/14/05 9 Walmac Lone Star Derby (Grade 3) Stakes [3] 1 1/16 Miles Fast Martinez F F 5

Hollywood 04/24/05 9 Cal National Snow Chief S.Stakes [3] 1 1/8 Miles Fast Nakatani C S 4

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by DiscreetCat=Monster

Now thats the resume of the worlds best sprinter, he got beat at hoosier praire meadows, and sunland park LMAO!!!! he didn't even beat statebreads!!!

Track Date Race Class Distance Condition Jockey FP
Laurel Park 11/25/06 10 Frank J. De Francis Memorial Dash S., Gr. 1, STAKES [3U] Dirt, 6F wf Nakatani, C 1

Churchill 11/04/06 6 TVG Breeders' Cup Sprint, Gr. 1, STAKES [3U] Dirt, 6F wf Nakatani, C 1

Oak Tree 10/07/06 9 Ancient Title Breeders' Cup S., Gr. 1, STAKES [3U] Dirt, 6F wf Cohen, D 2

Del Mar 08/16/06 7 STAKES [3U] Turf, 5F sf Nakatani, C 4

Santa Anita 02/19/06 7 STAKES [4U] Dirt, 6 1/2F Nakatani, C 2

Gulfstream 01/28/06 6 STAKES [4U] Dirt, 6F wf Bailey, J 4

Santa Anita 12/26/05 8 Malibu S. (Grade 1) Stakes [3] 7 Furlongs Fast Espinoza V 3

Oak Tree 11/06/05 7 California Cup Sprint H.Stakes [3U] 6 Furlongs Fast Espinoza V 3

Hoosier Park 10/01/05 9 Indiana Derby (Grade 2) Stakes [3] 1 1/16 Miles Fast Martinez F F 3

Del Mar 08/12/05 7 Real Good Deal S.Stakes [3] 7 Furlongs Fast Nakatani C S 1

Prairie Meadows 07/01/05 8 Iowa DerbyStakes [3] 1 1/16 Miles Fast Nakatani C S 3

Lone Star 05/14/05 9 Walmac Lone Star Derby (Grade 3) Stakes [3] 1 1/16 Miles Fast Martinez F F 5

Hollywood 04/24/05 9 Cal National Snow Chief S.Stakes [3] 1 1/8 Miles Fast Nakatani C S 4

The much over used term "LMAO". The owners went to the bank with winnings and your broke *** is "LMAO!!!!" Now that's funny.

Look this is silly. Thor's earned an Eclipse yesterday and its no knock on anyone.
Discreet's connections chose the practical and cautious route(which I applaud, this a fantastically managed and trained horse, my hat is really off to Mettee, Ferguson, Sheikh Mo).
They have now built a base with this horse that may springboard him to alltime great status at some point in the future. They chose a cautious route and it worked superbly.
But they passed the true sprints, and the BC, and Thor's didn't and he validated it yesterday with a nice win.
The Eclipse awards are about accomplishment, not whose faster than who and who has more talent.
Its about who wins the key races. DC never ran in a true sprint stakes race. Thors won the BC and this grade one.
Bordonaro is certainly deserving as well, but Thors 1-2 punch of 6f grade ones including the BC gets the nod from me.
This has nothing to do with Discreet cat, his talent or his ability, but he won one grade one and it was at a mile. he had his chance to sprint in the Vosburgh or BC and they didnt. Therefore no award as far as I can see.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who said he was the worlds best sprinter? Some have the opinion that he should be the sclipse winner. Big difference. I don't think DC should, or will get it. He's run 1 sprint race this year, an allowance win. Thor's Echo has 2 grade 1 winning sprints, any of the other sprint candidates for the eclipse have that?

You didn't expect any of the detractors to turn around and say his BC win was a legitimate outstanding performance, did you? No, they prefer to continue to belittle the horse and the significance of what he's accomplished this year.

I only hope they continue to bet against him.

--Dunbar