2013-2014 NBA Season

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Miami, maybe, but they are getting older. Indiana, please. Thunder are their worst nightmare match up wise.

Westbrook would have to go off, and maybe he would? George and Durant, pretty comparable....
I think whoever wins the East is the favorite over anyone out of the West.
So the NBA finals will be either Indiana or Miamia vs OKC or Houston or Golden St or San Antonio or the CLippers. See a problem here also? Much harder to come out of the West. Indiana and Miami will steamroll everyone until playing each other.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Westbrook would have to go off, and maybe he would? George and Durant, pretty comparable....
I think whoever wins the East is the favorite over anyone out of the West.
So the NBA finals will be either Indiana or Miamia vs OKC or Houston or Golden St or San Antonio or the CLippers. See a problem here also? Much harder to come out of the West. Indiana and Miami will steamroll everyone until playing each other.

George and Durant are comparable? Come on...George is really good, but there is a pretty big gap between the two of them. I can tell you this much, no way will Indiana be favored over the Thunder. Like I said before, it is a terrible match up for them, a nightmare.

Obviously the West is much tougher. It doesn't exactly take Nostradamus to figure that out. But if you get through it will all be pretty irrelevant. Further about the West, I see no way in hell GS or LAC makes it out, and Hou is only slightly more likely. Portland is better than all of them.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

George and Durant are comparable? Come on...George is really good, but there is a pretty big gap between the two of them. I can tell you this much, no way will Indiana be favored over the Thunder. Like I said before, it is a terrible match up for them, a nightmare.

Obviously the West is much tougher. It doesn't exactly take Nostradamus to figure that out. But if you get through it will all be pretty irrelevant. Further about the West, I see no way in hell GS or LAC makes it out, and Hou is only slightly more likely. Portland is better than all of them.

The Rockets are a bad matchup for Portland. They've split so far this year and Sampson made a big mistake having Terrence Jones continue to guard Aldridge last Thursday when they played in Portland. He was significantly less effective with Howard guarding him.

I don't think Portland has a great deal of long-term viability. I've also been very surprised at home poorly the Warriors are playing so far.

[cmorioles]

Yeah, I just think the Rockets need something else. If they can find someone dumb enough to take Asik and get something worthwhile in return, that could move them up.

I think Portland will continue to surprise. The coach is very good, and they are much deeper than last year. But yeah, it can be about match ups. Portland pretty much let Howard have whatever he could get and shut down the 3 point guys. This is where Howard is lacking. If a guy like Shaq was guarded like Howard was, he would have scored 50.

[cmorioles]

...my only point about the Thunder, and obviously I'm a homer, is a lot of people seem to think this is the same team as the one from the finals, or one that took a step back without Harden. That is simply not the case. They are clearly better this year. Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka are all better players than they were, and the bench is very deep, much better than when Harden was here.

Jackson alone isn't that far off of Harden's numbers. He is a magician in the paint. If Westbrook could finish like Jackson does he'd be hands down the top PG in the NBA.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

...my only point about the Thunder, and obviously I'm a homer, is a lot of people seem to think this is the same team as the one from the finals, or one that took a step back without Harden. That is simply not the case. They are clearly better this year. Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka are all better players than they were, and the bench is very deep, much better than when Harden was here.

Jackson alone isn't that far off of Harden's numbers. He is a magician in the paint. If Westbrook could finish like Jackson does he'd be hands down the top PG in the NBA.

OKC is very good. Who knows how good they'd be if Brooks stopped playing Perkins and Fisher? Reggie Jackson holds the NBA summer league record for points in a game lol. Adams has been far better than I thought he'd be and has a lot of room to improve.

Truth is that Asik would be a great pickup for OKC though I don't see Houston making that happen.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

OKC is very good. Who knows how good they'd be if Brooks stopped playing Perkins and Fisher? Reggie Jackson holds the NBA summer league record for points in a game lol. Adams has been far better than I thought he'd be and has a lot of room to improve.

Truth is that Asik would be a great pickup for OKC though I don't see Houston making that happen.

Asik would only be a great pickup IMO if Houston took Perkins...and who would do that? I don't care much about Perkins playing his 15 minutes a game. It doesn't matter if he starts, his minutes are shrinking and will continue to do so. He is just a backup to be honest, and still has some value against guys like Hibbert and Howard and Duncan.

Fisher is another story. Why Brooks plays him over Perry Jones is beyond me. And even if he doesn't want to play Jones, give the minutes to Lamb/Jackson. I think he will more and more as the season goes on.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, I just think the Rockets need something else. If they can find someone dumb enough to take Asik and get something worthwhile in return, that could move them up.

I think Portland will continue to surprise. The coach is very good, and they are much deeper than last year. But yeah, it can be about match ups. Portland pretty much let Howard have whatever he could get and shut down the 3 point guys. This is where Howard is lacking. If a guy like Shaq was guarded like Howard was, he would have scored 50.

I have read Varejo from Clevland is likely.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, I just think the Rockets need something else. If they can find someone dumb enough to take Asik and get something worthwhile in return, that could move them up.

I think Portland will continue to surprise. The coach is very good, and they are much deeper than last year. But yeah, it can be about match ups. Portland pretty much let Howard have whatever he could get and shut down the 3 point guys. This is where Howard is lacking. If a guy like Shaq was guarded like Howard was, he would have scored 50.

Asik could be a great pickup for the right team like Dallas or Golden State. Problem is NBA trades are hard to make and Houston supposedly wants a lot and his contract has a balloon payment of $15 million next year. There was a rumor that the Sixers were interested in trading Thaddeus Young for Asik and the money works but who knows?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Asik could be a great pickup for the right team like Dallas or Golden State. Problem is NBA trades are hard to make and Houston supposedly wants a lot and his contract has a balloon payment of $15 million next year. There was a rumor that the Sixers were interested in trading Thaddeus Young for Asik and the money works but who knows?

Yeah, the problem with Asik is the contract. It doesn't all count against the cap, but it is still a lot of money to pay for what he brings.

Dallas isn't going anywhere. They are a solid team, nothing more. What could they give Houston that Houston would even want?

Golden State already has a version of Asik in Bogut really, though Bogut is better if healthy. I'm just not sure they would give up much to get him. I don't think anyone will.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, the problem with Asik is the contract. It doesn't all count against the cap, but it is still a lot of money to pay for what he brings.

Dallas isn't going anywhere. They are a solid team, nothing more. What could they give Houston that Houston would even want?

Golden State already has a version of Asik in Bogut really, though Bogut is better if healthy. I'm just not sure they would give up much to get him. I don't think anyone will.

I dont know what houston really wants for him but the way they handled this situation by setting a deadline to trade him on Thursday seems odd. Golden State needs front court help. Asik can split minutes with Bogut and Lee which helps keep Bogut in the lineup and improve their defense a lot. He would be a good fit in Dallas and they do have draft picks plus Cuban wont tank. IMO Dallas with Asik probably makes the playoffs. Probably not going too far but still.

The ultimate wildcard would be the Nets where money isnt an issue though I have no idea if the rules allow them to add him considering where their salary situation is now.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't think Portland has a great deal of long-term viability.

Why is that?

[Duvalier]

Wow Joe Johnson was unconscious tonight in the 3rd quarter... eight 3-pointers and 29 points. Finished with 10 3's and 37 points on the night.

The Association may may need to start looking into some sort of mercy rule for the Sixers after the last few games.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Wow Joe Johnson was unconscious tonight in the 3rd quarter... eight 3-pointers and 29 points. Finished with 10 3's and 37 points on the night.

The Association may may need to start looking into some sort of mercy rule for the Sixers after the last few games.

They have been the kind of embarrassing lately that I envisioned them being the entire season. Their last 3 wins have been OT games so more or less they are 3 points away from having a 20 game losing streak. The last non-OT win was Nov 8.

At least we know the Sixers have a plan for all the losing. After tonights Knicks game I'm pretty sure that Woodson has to go as he appears to have completely lost the team. Now we are hearing rumors about trades for Pau Gasol. Guy looks completely shot.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They have been the kind of embarrassing lately that I envisioned them being the entire season. Their last 3 wins have been OT games so more or less they are 3 points away from having a 20 game losing streak. The last non-OT win was Nov 8.

At least we know the Sixers have a plan for all the losing. After tonights Knicks game I'm pretty sure that Woodson has to go as he appears to have completely lost the team. Now we are hearing rumors about trades for Pau Gasol. Guy looks completely shot.

Its Gasol for Chandler, but LA would have to take JR Smith.....
There were Shumpert rumors, but I have not read much about that and heard nothing about it on First Take when they discussed Gasol for Chandler.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They have been the kind of embarrassing lately that I envisioned them being the entire season. Their last 3 wins have been OT games so more or less they are 3 points away from having a 20 game losing streak. The last non-OT win was Nov 8.

At least we know the Sixers have a plan for all the losing.

How about it...another 1 point OT win for the Sixers tonight

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Rockets are a bad matchup for Portland. They've split so far this year and Sampson made a big mistake having Terrence Jones continue to guard Aldridge last Thursday when they played in Portland. He was significantly less effective with Howard guarding him.

I don't think Portland has a great deal of long-term viability. I've also been very surprised at home poorly the Warriors are playing so far.

The Warriors have a lot of issues that people chose to ignore for whatever reason.
Portland is a good team that's playing well but has no real depth. They are a jump shooting team and later in the season when teams are tired they are more apt to struggle at times.
The Rockets have defensive issues.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

George and Durant are comparable? Come on...George is really good, but there is a pretty big gap between the two of them. I can tell you this much, no way will Indiana be favored over the Thunder. Like I said before, it is a terrible match up for them, a nightmare.

Obviously the West is much tougher. It doesn't exactly take Nostradamus to figure that out. But if you get through it will all be pretty irrelevant. Further about the West, I see no way in hell GS or LAC makes it out, and Hou is only slightly more likely. Portland is better than all of them.

I prefer GS, Portland and Houston over LAC. Im not sold on LAC at all. I think Houston will be fine. And when the playoffs come around Im not sold on Portland being a real contender. GS has been a huge disapointment in my eyes. I had them as a top 2-3 team. Hopefully the get it going, they sure are fun to watch.
I dont think George is that far behind Durant and he is 2yrs younger. He took a huge step forward this year.
Durant is the better scorer right now, but if George is hungry and keeps getting better he will be as good by the time he is 25. George would be a rebounding machine if not for Hibbert and West. Durant is the 2nd best rebounder on his team, so the rebounding difference means nothing to me..... George plays better D.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I prefer GS, Portland and Houston over LAC. Im not sold on LAC at all. I think Houston will be fine. And when the playoffs come around Im not sold on Portland being a real contender. GS has been a huge disapointment in my eyes. I had them as a top 2-3 team. Hopefully the get it going, they sure are fun to watch.
I dont think George is that far behind Durant and he is 2yrs younger. He took a huge step forward this year.
Durant is the better scorer right now, but if George is hungry and keeps getting better he will be as good by the time he is 25. George would be a rebounding machine if not for Hibbert and West. Durant is the 2nd best rebounder on his team, so the rebounding difference means nothing to me..... George plays better D.

Durant is a good defender, very underrated. Ask any GM who they want for the next 7 or 8 years if they can have either, and every one will pick Durant.

I'm not knocking George, he is a great player. Durant is on another level, just like Lebron is on another level from everyone else.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Durant is a good defender, very underrated. Ask any GM who they want for the next 7 or 8 years if they can have either, and every one will pick Durant.

I'm not knocking George, he is a great player. Durant is on another level, just like Lebron is on another level from everyone else.

Ok. I just dont see it. Durants your boy, hes your guy. I get the love. I guess Ill even give you that he is better, but its not that wide a gap. Thats how I feel. It was a huge gap last year, its not nearly as big now. And it 2yrs the gap might be totally gone. I think George is that kind of player.