2014 admission hikes for Belmont, Saratoga: GA $5, Clubhouse $8

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

this was sarcasm....tolls are everywhere.they are a good thing

gotcha. mea culpa

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

this was sarcasm...tolls are everywhere.they are a good thing

There aren't any here in SoCal...

[dylbert]

I must say this thread has legs. And lots of opinions.

All four Louisiana tracks are racinos. Before slots, all charged admission. Today, with two exceptions, admission to FG, LaD, DeD, & Evg is free. CDI who owns FG charges admission for Louisiana Derby Day ($5) and twilight racing cards ($5-10).

Casino side has free drinks & comps. Racing side has cash bar & limited/no comps. These operations are owned by Boyd's Gaming (DeD & Evg) & Caesar's (LaD) as well as aforementioned CDI. Racino model enhances purses which favors horsemen - owners, trainers & jockeys. Horseplayer gets nothing.

Therefore, I would suggest that Aqueduct is like DeD/Evg/LaD and should offer free admission. Belmont is like FG and should charge admission on 'event' days only.

Saratoga is destination-type property that offers unique blend of quality racing, longevity/history/tradition, and scarcity. Scarcity in number of racing dates & limited supply of preferred seats. Professional sports and elite college football programs once rewarded season ticket holders for loyalty. Today, they monetize that transaction and extract value through seat licenses, athletic foundations, and other contribution channels. Some form of seat license would probably generate much more than $250,000 that NYRA has targeted.

In summary, I see this as three separate situations that require three entirely different solutions.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Yeah Tolls is the problem.....they don't have them in other states.

30 years ago........pay $7.50 hour 12 pack of michelob $4.99 Saratoga admission $2

now $30/hour..............12 pack michelob $8.99 saratoga admission $3.00


Beer and Saratoga are the 2 biggest bargains in history.

.....damn, they still make that swill.

[Cannon Shell]

I know that the comparison with other sports has flaws but I dont think people realize how insanely expensive it is to go to sporting events.

TCI is a cost index using the following criteria:

Team Marketing Report uses “non-premium” season ticket pricing for its survey. That excludes club seats, suites and floor seats.

The Fan Cost Index (FCI) comprises the price of four average-price tickets, two cheapest beers, four cheapest soft drinks, four hot dogs, parking for one car, two game programs and two least-expensive, adult-size hats.

The average Fan Cost Index (FCI) number, the cost to take a family of four to an NBA game, is up 3.5 percent to $326.60.

The Knicks, which had a horrid start to the season in refurbished Madison Square Garden, lead the NBA in average ticket price ($123.22, a 4.9 percent increase) and FCI® price ($643.78).

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

There aren't any here in SoCal...

i don't drive on any of them either but when i visit san diego, the 73 is an option. i leave early to avoid traffic instead.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I know that the comparison with other sports has flaws but I dont think people realize how insanely expensive it is to go to sporting events.

TCI is a cost index using the following criteria:

Team Marketing Report uses “non-premium” season ticket pricing for its survey. That excludes club seats, suites and floor seats.

The Fan Cost Index (FCI) comprises the price of four average-price tickets, two cheapest beers, four cheapest soft drinks, four hot dogs, parking for one car, two game programs and two least-expensive, adult-size hats.

The average Fan Cost Index (FCI) number, the cost to take a family of four to an NBA game, is up 3.5 percent to $326.60.

The Knicks, which had a horrid start to the season in refurbished Madison Square Garden, lead the NBA in average ticket price ($123.22, a 4.9 percent increase) and FCI® price ($643.78).

it's absolutely ridiculous what it costs to go see games. hockey is even starting to get up there, which is a shame. but right now, i still think it's worth it. unlike football, hockey is best watched live. i don't plan to go to another college or pro football game EVER-especially if it's televised. takes too long, fans are too rude, food is expensive-and tastes like garbage.

[10 pnt move up]

I have seen it all now, comparing wagering at horse races to going to say the NFL games.

If there ever was an apples and oranges comparison that would be it.

I suppose if the crowd sat their with ipads and could wager on who hits the next basket, minus 20% of course, then it would make a little bit of a comparison.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I have seen it all now, comparing wagering at horse races to going to say the NFL games.

If there ever was an apples and oranges comparison that would be it.

I suppose if the crowd sat their with ipads and could wager on who hits the next basket, minus 20% of course, then it would make a little bit of a comparison.

I'm curious.....do people get to bring food and beverages, including beer, into NFL games?

I come from an era when I used to attend Dodger (Brooklyn) games for the price of a few ice-cream cup lids, and Knicks and Rangers games for $.50 with my high school GO card. To say I've been priced out of attending major league sports games now is the understatement of the year. Can't actually remember the last ticket I bought; probably 30 years ago.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I know that the comparison with other sports has flaws but I dont think people realize how insanely expensive it is to go to sporting events.

TCI is a cost index using the following criteria:

Team Marketing Report uses “non-premium” season ticket pricing for its survey. That excludes club seats, suites and floor seats.

The Fan Cost Index (FCI) comprises the price of four average-price tickets, two cheapest beers, four cheapest soft drinks, four hot dogs, parking for one car, two game programs and two least-expensive, adult-size hats.

The average Fan Cost Index (FCI) number, the cost to take a family of four to an NBA game, is up 3.5 percent to $326.60.

The Knicks, which had a horrid start to the season in refurbished Madison Square Garden, lead the NBA in average ticket price ($123.22, a 4.9 percent increase) and FCI® price ($643.78).

It's a really bad comparison.. How much does it cost to go to a casino, and what are the costs of food and beverage in a casino is a much fairer comparison.

12/17 on the Inner in Ozone Park is hardly the mecca. How many days a year could Far Hills be successful without para mutual wagering... 4?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm curious.....do people get to bring food and beverages, including beer, into NFL games?

Yes, at least at Diamondback games you can buy water and peanuts outside and bring it in, as long as you dont open them before entering.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm curious.....do people get to bring food and beverages, including beer, into NFL games?

i remember going to my first Belmont Stakes and some guys were bringing cases of beer on their kids wagons into the facility........back in the early eighties we used to bring in an ice chest full of adult beverages into the infield at santa anita. i think it was halted due to idiots getting hammered and causing problems.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Yes, at least at Diamondback games you can buy water and peanuts outside and bring it in, as long as you dont open them before entering.

The Diamondbacks are now in the NFL?

I know you can't spell Greg....but up until now I had assumed you could read

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The Diamondbacks are now in the NFL?

I know you can't spell Greg....but up until now I had assumed you could read

Just pointing out that there are some places that are reasonable.

You dont need an emoticon, I know what you were thinking.

[Alabama Stakes]

I must say that me and my brother saved thousands of dollars in beer by being allowed to drink a case and a half of our own Bass or Sammy Smith's every day for years. A hundred extra bucks a day to bet with is a big difference. That's why Saratoga is such great value. I never liked paying admission to the track, but never minded paying it at Saratoga. Though they didn't get the extra deuce for the clubhouse stamp. That was always fun, escaping the deuce.

[cmorioles]

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/blog...direction-play

On another note, allowing people to bring in beer is pretty silly IMO. You want to make money, charge a reasonable price for beer.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm curious.....do people get to bring food and beverages, including beer, into NFL games?

No alcohol ever and the food policy according to the Steeler/NFL website.
This from the Steeler website:

Food items such as small sandwiches, chips, pretzels, etc. are permitted in as long as they are in clear Ziploc plastic bags. No brown bags or plastic grocery store bags are permitted. You may also bring water, juice, pop, etc. as long as it is in a plastic bottle, 24 oz. or less and must have its original factory seal.


Purses, backpacks, diaper bags etc... are no longer allowed. Everything you do bring has to be in a see through plastic bag, which they conveniently sell for $10-$12. Season ticket holders were given one for each ticket they have. The dimensions of the bag are12"x6"x12". The first Steeler game this year a girl who sits in our section did not know the rule. She hid her purse in a bush near the entrance. She said there were about 30 other purses already hidden. The purse was still there after the game.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The Diamondbacks are now in the NFL?

I know you can't spell Greg....but up until now I had assumed you could read

Wow. Andy used an emoticon. I feel a weight lifted off my shoulder as I assume that is a pass for me to use them too without feeling his wrath!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Wow. Andy used an emoticon. I feel a weight lifted off my shoulder as I assume that is a pass for me to use them too without feeling his wrath!

I didn't want to get accused of being mean to poor Greg.