2014 admission hikes for Belmont, Saratoga: GA $5, Clubhouse $8

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by art vanderlay

I guess I should just take your advice and suck it up, but from someone who actually attends the races the costs add up, $10 admission $5 program $32 for two seats in the Clubhouse and a couple of bucks for the person who wipes your seat with a dirty rag.
Multiply that by 4 or 5 days per week. So will $6 more dollars be a deal breaker, maybe.

$6 is a deal breaker.

wow

[art vanderlay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

$6 is a deal breaker.

wow

Again how much did you spend last year watching live races. Was it more than zero? Just so you understand it is $6 times the amount of days you go.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by art vanderlay

Again how much did you spend last year watching live races. Was it more than zero? Just so you understand it is $6 times the amount of days you go.

yes, definitely more than zero.
but, when i decide to go somewhere, i don't quibble over a couple extra bucks. now, if it went from 3 to 20 a day, you might be on to something. but knowing that other tracks charge more than 5, 5 just isn't that big a deal. especially when i've paid twice that just to park to wander around a city i'm visiting.

[art vanderlay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

$6 is a deal breaker.

wow

In your rush to defend price increases you do realize they have also indicated they will be raising the price on seats and parking. But since you do not buy the product it won't cost you a dime.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by art vanderlay

In your rush to defend price increases you do realize they have also indicated they will be raising the price on seats and parking. But since you do not buy the product it won't cost you a dime.

i've answered the question several times from you about if i went to the track. now i don't even buy the product? i have to go out of my way to load a green dot moneypak to refill my twinspires, but i do it to bet. yeah, i don't use the product....
i'm not defending them, i'm saying it's not much of an increase and that it's not a big deal compared to prices on other products. or are you like george bush, if you're not with us you're against us?
i honestly can't remember what we paid per person to get into louisiana downs. or if we paid to park there. i don't know what delta charged us either. i think oaklawn is still $2, don't remember if we paid to park or not. i'd have to ask my husband, he's the one who pays all that. he probably doesn't remember either.
we went to dallas a couple months ago for a hockey game. i don't recall the ticket prices there either. we took a taxi since we were going to imbibe, i think it was $20 each way. if it cost $22 instead, it wouldn't have mattered, we'd still have taken the taxi.

[art vanderlay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i've answered the question several times from you about if i went to the track. now i don't even buy the product? i have to go out of my way to load a green dot moneypak to refill my twinspires, but i do it to bet. yeah, i don't use the product....
i'm not defending them, i'm saying it's not much of an increase and that it's not a big deal compared to prices on other products. or are you like george bush, if you're not with us you're against us?
i honestly can't remember what we paid per person to get into louisiana downs. or if we paid to park there. i don't know what delta charged us either. i think oaklawn is still $2, don't remember if we paid to park or not. i'd have to ask my husband, he's the one who pays all that. he probably doesn't remember either.
we went to dallas a couple months ago for a hockey game. i don't recall the ticket prices there either. we took a taxi since we were going to imbibe, i think it was $20 each way. if it cost $22 instead, it wouldn't have mattered, we'd still have taken the taxi.

You do understand this thread is about price increases for admission, seats, and parking, at NYRA tracks.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

'most people that go to the track are probably not serious bettors'.

thats pretty funny. horse owners are the biggest bettors..and those gold room guys put more through the system than most 50c partweelers on line

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

'most people that go to the track are probably not serious bettors'.

thats pretty funny. horse owners are the biggest bettors..and those gold room guys put more through the system than most 50c partweelers on line

I'm not in New York, so I don't know about any gold room, but horse owners are the biggest bettors? Come on. Like anything else, some bet big, some bet small, some don't bet. And there is a difference between being a big bettor and a serious bettor, i.e. one trying to win money.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm not in New York, so I don't know about any gold room, but horse owners are the biggest bettors? Come on. Like anything else, some bet big, some bet small, some don't bet. And there is a difference between being a big bettor and a serious bettor, i.e. one trying to win money.

Truthfully, I would think that serious bettors very rarely visit the track.

My perception is that these bettors find one good spot/sequance a day to wager on. Depending on where they live, it's probably not worth the hassle to go all the way to the track for one wager.

[Payson Dave]

For someone who goes to a NYRA track on rare/infrequent occasions (except for spinners) this will likely not be a huge deal. For those that go often (not many of them that don't already have credentials) it could add up. Will it positively or negatively impact attendance remains to be seen. If it does end up negatively affecting attendance, then the more important question will be how, if any, it affects handle?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by art vanderlay

You do understand this thread is about price increases for admission, seats, and parking, at NYRA tracks.

yes, of course. so, that is at variance with say...admission, seats and parking at other tracks? like i said earlier in the thread, arlington was $7 each last time i went, several years ago. since it was 7 at arlington, that means i can't discuss 5 at belmont? i mean, it's still green dollars with george washington on them, right?

[art vanderlay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, of course. so, that is at variance with say...admission, seats and parking at other tracks? like i said earlier in the thread, arlington was $7 each last time i went, several years ago. since it was 7 at arlington, that means i can't discuss 5 at belmont? i mean, it's still green dollars with george washington on them, right?

That includes a program right. I get it you go to the track once every few years of course a price increase wouldn't bother you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by art vanderlay

That includes a program right. I get it you go to the track once every few years of course a price increase wouldn't bother you.

i'm sorry if out of all this you only take away the notion that i go once every few years.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, of course. so, that is at variance with say...admission, seats and parking at other tracks? like i said earlier in the thread, arlington was $7 each last time i went, several years ago. since it was 7 at arlington, that means i can't discuss 5 at belmont? i mean, it's still green dollars with george washington on them, right?

Does Arlington get subsidized by slots?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Does Arlington get subsidized by slots?

You get that this ploy of making NYRA "profitable" on the balance sheets for 2014 is part of the plan to not "subsidize" NYRA right? Not to mention that it isnt in any way a subsidy, it is part of payment for the billion dollars of land the state now officially owns.

Having a philosophical argument about charging horsepalyers for extra's is a interesting topic. However in NYRA's case it isnt a apples to apples argument because there is real doubt about the true goals of the oversight board or at the very least the Chairman and several members. Plus virtually every racino is required by law not to charge admission. I mean who would hire Kay if the goal was to maximize profits at an entity that handles over 20% of the 10 billion or so bet in this country?