2013-2014 NBA Season

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chicago and the Nets will sweep them.

Chicago has huge issues, people better start understanding that now. Miami and Indiana are so far ahead of everyone else its not even really worth discussing.

As for your boy Jordan.....2-6, 6 points and 1 block in 30min vs Miami. Miami's only weakness is being soft inside so your boy should dominate.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Chicago has huge issues, people better start understanding that now. Miami and Indiana are so far ahead of everyone else its not even really worth discussing.

As for your boy Jordan.....2-6, 6 points and 1 block in 30min vs Miami. Miami's only weakness is being soft inside so your boy should dominate.

He isnt my boy but they cant do anything in the playoffs unless he plays significantly better. He doesnt play well and they lose. Big surprise.

What are Chicago's issues?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He isnt my boy but they cant do anything in the playoffs unless he plays significantly better. He doesnt play well and they lose. Big surprise.

What are Chicago's issues?

Chicagos issue. I will start with the basic most obvious ones. They are not nearly as good as Indiana or Miami, but they actually believe they are. Thats a big problem. They are not big enough or tough enough for Indiana. They dont score enough and they again are not tough enough where they think they can bully Miami. They are just not that good. Butler is like this made up version of Paul George. Young and supposed to be good, good defender slasher. But hes not. Hes just not that good. He is a 10-13 point a game scorer who everyone had as a breakout type star. Good luck. Boozer and Deng are exactly what they are. Rock solid, but you are never winning a championship with big Carlos being your #2. These 2 have literally been on the trade block for at least 3 years. NOah, Hinrich, Dunleavy these guys are journey men. None of them do multiple things good. Dunleavy plays no D, but can shoot a little. Hinrich is a joke. Noah plays D and rebounds, Ill give you that but he is literally no threat at all on O.
Biggest problem is D Rose. Dude will never ever ever win a Title. Its Lebrons league for 5 years. Then Durant or Paul George will have a turn. Paul George is only 23 and he is the most exciting player in the NBA other then Lebron. He is a future super star.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Chicagos issue. I will start with the basic most obvious ones. They are not nearly as good as Indiana or Miami, but they actually believe they are. Thats a big problem. They are not big enough or tough enough for Indiana. They dont score enough and they again are not tough enough where they think they can bully Miami. They are just not that good. Butler is like this made up version of Paul George. Young and supposed to be good, good defender slasher. But hes not. Hes just not that good. He is a 10-13 point a game scorer who everyone had as a breakout type star. Good luck. Boozer and Deng are exactly what they are. Rock solid, but you are never winning a championship with big Carlos being your #2. These 2 have literally been on the trade block for at least 3 years. NOah, Hinrich, Dunleavy these guys are journey men. None of them do multiple things good. Dunleavy plays no D, but can shoot a little. Hinrich is a joke. Noah plays D and rebounds, Ill give you that but he is literally no threat at all on O.
Biggest problem is D Rose. Dude will never ever ever win a Title. Its Lebrons league for 5 years. Then Durant or Paul George will have a turn. Paul George is only 23 and he is the most exciting player in the NBA other then Lebron. He is a future super star.

LeBron only has a second ring because Ray Allen hit a miracle shot.

Chicago is a talented, well coached team. They will be fine.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LeBron only has a second ring because Ray Allen hit a miracle shot.

Chicago is a talented, well coached team. They will be fine.

Do you watch Shark Tank?? Amazing show... Ill quote my favorite person in the world right now, Mr. Wonderful. Stop the madness!!!
Chuck Game 1 vs of those finals thay Ray Allen won Lebron had a monsterous 18 points 18 rebounds and 10 assists. They lost that game by 4. No one else showed up. Game 4 a pretty much most win being down 2-1 he goes for 33 and 11. Game 5 they lost, again no one else really plays well he goes for 25 8 and 6. And then game 6,7 is NBA history. 32 11 and 10 another triple double in game 6 and the epic game 7 37 and 12. So yes Ray Allen made a big shot, but come on now. Lebron won that thing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Do you watch Shark Tank?? Amazing show... Ill quote my favorite person in the world right now, Mr. Wonderful. Stop the madness!!!
Chuck Game 1 vs of those finals thay Ray Allen won Lebron had a monsterous 18 points 18 rebounds and 10 assists. They lost that game by 4. No one else showed up. Game 4 a pretty much most win being down 2-1 he goes for 33 and 11. Game 5 they lost, again no one else really plays well he goes for 25 8 and 6. And then game 6,7 is NBA history. 32 11 and 10 another triple double in game 6 and the epic game 7 37 and 12. So yes Ray Allen made a big shot, but come on now. Lebron won that thing.

If Ray Allen doesnt hit the miracle 3 point shot in game 6 San Antonio wins the title. Why is this hard to understand? LeBron is better than most people even realize still but let's not act like Miami swept to the title last year.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

As for your boy Jordan.....2-6, 6 points and 1 block in 30min vs Miami. Miami's only weakness is being soft inside so your boy should dominate.

For you Rock...

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/1...t-under-armour

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

For you Rock...

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/1...t-under-armour

The guy is like 7 feet 330 weight and banged on a point guard.

[cmorioles]

You guys seen Steven Adams play yet? The guy is the real deal. Presti scores again, and this will definitely take a lot of the sting out of the Harden trade.

Lamb is looking pretty good too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You guys seen Steven Adams play yet? The guy is the real deal. Presti scores again, and this will definitely take a lot of the sting out of the Harden trade.

Lamb is looking pretty good too.

He is better than I thought he'd be though honestly I only saw him play a little in the summer league. Leads the league in contested rebound % by a long ways.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You guys seen Steven Adams play yet? The guy is the real deal. Presti scores again, and this will definitely take a lot of the sting out of the Harden trade.

Lamb is looking pretty good too.

I like the big dude from Pitt. He can play.
But Harden is a superstar. A legit top 4 player in the entire league. And he is only like 24 or 25. And you can argue that with Harden still OKC gets to the finals last year. They at the very least get through Memphis.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I like the big dude from Pitt. He can play.
But Harden is a superstar. A legit top 4 player in the entire league. And he is only like 24 or 25. And you can argue that with Harden still OKC gets to the finals last year. They at the very least get through Memphis.

While you can debate the timing of the trade the fact remains that they simply could not afford the salary tax implications of keeping Harden if he wasnt willing to take a discount which he wasn't.

I believe they have still have another 1st round pick coming also.

[declansharbor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEKK3GVd150

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While you can debate the timing of the trade the fact remains that they simply could not afford the salary tax implications of keeping Harden if he wasnt willing to take a discount which he wasn't.

I believe they have still have another 1st round pick coming also.

Outside of Brooklyn, teams are going to have to start being more responsible. The new CBA is extremely harsh on repeat offenders of luxury tax threshold. The Thunder took a small step back, but I think it will pay big dividends in the future.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I like the big dude from Pitt. He can play.
But Harden is a superstar. A legit top 4 player in the entire league. And he is only like 24 or 25. And you can argue that with Harden still OKC gets to the finals last year. They at the very least get through Memphis.

But, he would never be that in OKC. It would be silly to pay a guy max money along with all the luxury tax implications for a 3rd wheel, no matter how good that wheel is.

The Thunder got Adams, Lamb (who also is looking pretty good), another 1st round pick coming from Dallas, and a very promising Euro-stash in Alex Abrines. Obviously the first round pick from Dallas won't be a great one, and Abrines is a bit of gamble, but Presti has a great track record so I'll trust he'll get good players.

Another thing, Harden plays zero defense. You can't be a top 4 player in the league without trying on both ends. Maybe he'll get better, but he'll never be better than average on that end of the floor.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

But, he would never be that in OKC. It would be silly to pay a guy max money along with all the luxury tax implications for a 3rd wheel, no matter how good that wheel is.

The Thunder got Adams, Lamb (who also is looking pretty good), another 1st round pick coming from Dallas, and a very promising Euro-stash in Alex Abrines. Obviously the first round pick from Dallas won't be a great one, and Abrines is a bit of gamble, but Presti has a great track record so I'll trust he'll get good players.

Another thing, Harden plays zero defense. You can't be a top 4 player in the league without trying on both ends. Maybe he'll get better, but he'll never be better than average on that end of the floor.

The Dallas pick could be ok. If Dirk were to go down they would be pretty helpless though I dont know if the pick is protected.

NBA trades are insanely tough to do because of salary cap and talent for talent is almost impossible. Unlike baseball where you get free agent compensation if you lose a player in the NBA you get nothing. They have even tweaked the sign and trades that teams used to do.

Irony in that Cleveland gets Miami's #1 in 2015 (from the sign and trade that Cleveland did when james left-people forget that wasnt a straight free agent signing, it wound up a sign and trade) which could be the year James leaves Miami and goes back to Cleveland. Considering the supporting cast in Miami is already aging that could easily be a lottery pick.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

The Suns win again tonight over Denver. I have the Suns at over 23 in Vegas. They are fun to watch.

Watched them opening night against the Blazers...that wasn't fun to watch. I was surprised how well Plumlee played. Their guards Dragic and Bledsoe are solid. So far your over is looking pretty good.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

I have the Suns at over 23 in Vegas. They are fun to watch.

The Suns really play hard, Hornacek sure has them competing especially on the defensive end. Good luck with your over, you have to be happy watching the effort they give...they don't look like a team content on tanking for draft position.