Presidential Communication

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Love the phrase "overblown outrage."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/opinio...act/index.html

Yeah, that woman who lost her policies and access to her oncologists in her 7 year fight against stage 4 cancer is really overreacting.

[Danzig]

first of alll, anyone who believes anything any politician tells them is a fool.
secondly, obama, just like every other president in the history of this country (even washington had his detractors) gets far too much blame when things aren't great, and they all get too much credit when things go well.

i wish everyone would keep in mind that congress has far more to do with peoples' daily lives then the president ever could. they write the legislation, they pass the bills that become laws, they write (or don't write) the budgets, raise or lower taxes, etc.

was obama wrong? yes.

as for the one lady with stage four cancer-joey, how many will get care who formerly couldn't, versus how many will have to change coverages? does the good outweigh the bad? will more people be helped or hurt? at least she can get other insurance, whereas before obamacare, they would have her maxed out (lifetime maximums are no more), cancelled, and no one else would have written her.

Anyway, here's another take:

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...doctors-wrong/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Anyway, here's another take:

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...doctors-wrong/

exactly what i said was probably the issue the other day when joey first presented her story-that united healthcare opted out of cali-it had nothing to do with obamacare.

[dellinger63]

Are illegals going to be refused service at the ER or are they part of those exempted from Obamacare? Like the unions and the federal government?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for the one lady with stage four cancer-joey, how many will get care who formerly couldn't, versus how many will have to change coverages? does the good outweigh the bad? will more people be helped or hurt? at least she can get other insurance, whereas before obamacare, they would have her maxed out (lifetime maximums are no more), cancelled, and no one else would have written her.

Those who voted for Obama are more foolish than most.

As to your point above, it's not the government's business what insurance anyone carries or what kind of policy they want: "Cadillac" plan, low coverage catastrophic only plan, whatever.

The power grab by Obama that he now seeks to sustain is unconstitutional - regardless of what the Supreme Court says. Read the Constitution and you will clearly see that taking over the citizens' health care, depriving them of choices and jacking their rates up a couple of hundred percent do not fit into the enumerated powers that the federal government has.

The government screwed this woman over - and it did not need to happen and never should have been considered.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Those who voted for Obama are more foolish than most.

As to your point above, it's not the government's business what insurance anyone carries or what kind of policy they want: "Cadillac" plan, low coverage catastrophic only plan, whatever.

The power grab by Obama that he now seeks to sustain is unconstitutional - regardless of what the Supreme Court says. Read the Constitution and you will clearly see that taking over the citizens' health care, depriving them of choices and jacking their rates up a couple of hundred percent do not fit into the enumerated powers that the federal government has.

The government screwed this woman over - and it did not need to happen and never should have been considered.

I define dumber than most as someone desperately hanging on thinking that one party is better than the other. Talk about insanity.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

I define dumber than most as someone desperately hanging on thinking that one party is better than the other. Talk about insanity.

i agree. both parties are funded by the very rich. so there's a reason why all these laws pass, and who they're passed for.
when one considers who the other main candidate was in the most recent election, i'm not sure how anyone can say people who voted for obama are 'more foolish than most'. i didn't vote for either the douchebag or the turd sandwich. oh, what would happen if everyone picked 'c' in the next presidential run? what if the republiecans had found a better candidate? probably wouldn't matter-they are just as determined to insert themselves in health care issues.

As to your point above, it's not the government's business what insurance anyone carries or what kind of policy they want: "Cadillac" plan, low coverage catastrophic only plan, whatever. i agree. i think i've made that point more than once.

The power grab by Obama that he now seeks to sustain is unconstitutional - regardless of what the Supreme Court says. Read the Constitution and you will clearly see that taking over the citizens' health care, depriving them of choices and jacking their rates up a couple of hundred percent do not fit into the enumerated powers that the federal government has. since scotus ruled, i'm not sure how you can ignore their ruling, or say that govt insertion into health care is unconstitutional. and the govt has already been in the health business for years, with medicare and medicaid.

The government screwed this woman over - and it did not need to happen and never should have been considered. no. united healthcare opted to leave cali. but with the new govt rules, she can get coverage elsewhere, where beforehand she would have been left out in the cold due to pre-existing conditions.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

I define dumber than most as someone desperately hanging on thinking that one party is better than the other. Talk about insanity.

Does that include those pulling the "D" lever or just the "R" lever?

[Danzig]

relative to the subject, good going virginia. of course, that's another example of one having to hold ones nose while voting, but i think they did choose the lesser of two evils.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

relative to the subject, good going virginia. of course, that's another example of one having to hold ones nose while voting, but i think they did choose the lesser of two evils.

How sweet it is...Cuccinelli sucks..

Voters in Virginia, New Jersey leave Tea Party reeling


Related: Election 2014: McAuliffe wins Va. governors race, Christie re-elected in N.J.

And yet Cuccinelli struggled from start to finish in a race Republicans should have won easily, up against a flawed Democratic candidate in a state with a steady history of voting against the party in the White House, in this case Democratic President Barack Obama.


http://news.msn.com/us/voters-in-vir...-party-reeling

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Does that include those pulling the "D" lever or just the "R" lever?

you're struggling to understand what he meant?

[Danzig]

Gore Vidal selected quotes...



“It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people” (how true. note that many corporations give to both parties. that way, they're in the pols pockets regardless of who wins the election)

Now you have people in Washington who have no interest in the country at all. They're interested in their companies, their corporations grabbing Caspian oil.


Democracy is supposed to give you the feeling of choice, like Painkiller X and Painkiller Y. But they're both just aspirin.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're struggling to understand what he meant?

No, just pointing out that both parties have consistent supporters, and I wasn't sure if he disagrees with both parties.

[joeydb]

SCOTUS can make unconstitutional rulings. The difference is that in modern times the other two branches do not do much about it. Each branch can (and is morally obligated) to derail an unconstitutional law.

Judiciary Branch: The Supreme Court can set aside an unconstitional law through their decision.

Legislative Branch: The Congress can repeal it or supersede the unconstitional law with a just law.

Executive Branch: The President can direct the Justice Department to not enforce the unconstitional law, or (this is a little bit of a gray area): attempt to negate the law with an Executive Order to the contrary of the law's intent and purpose.

The ACA/ObamaCare law qualifies as being unconstitutional in that it is not in within the scope of the powers delegated to the federal government from the states.

So I'm not ignoring the Supreme Court but pointing out that like any other group of human beings, they can get decisions wrong. They have in the past obviously with the Dred Scott decision - the high water mark of lunacy in civil proceedings, and in my opinion, with Roe v. Wade as well.

Further, the individual citizen need not be bound to consider a law constitutional or unconstitutional by copying the Supreme Court's opinion. The Constitution is an open document, surprisingly free of legalese and each one of us can read it and see if "a reasonable person" would consider newly crafted law in scope of that master document.

As to the woman getting screwed over: Yes, United Healthcare made the decision to leave California, but only because the Federal government via the ACA has intruded so much into the health care business as to make it impossible for United Healthcare to turn a profit unless they change things. The government initiated ObamaCare and by extension the ripple effect that goes through the insurance companies who now have to adjust their business practices to keep a level of profit. The blame rests solely on the government as the initiator of this fiasco and the predictable effects in the actions that businesses will have to take in order to survive.

Businesses must turn a profit or they will close down. The government has no such restriction which is how you get to a 17 trillion dollar debt.

The fact that she can still buy reduced coverage at a severely increased rate is laughable as a "benefit" of this law.

[joeydb]