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Old 10-23-2013, 12:00 AM
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All time great, no, but it makes me think of Barbaro for some reason. Damn.
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:52 AM
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Big Brown was awesome on both.
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:01 AM
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Big Brown was awesome on both.
Was this a typo? Did you mean Big Red?
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:26 AM
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Kelso was OK on grass in the regular occasions he tried it in the DC International..
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:41 AM
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For a foreign horse, you're talking about a Dubai Millennium.

Absolutely dominant turf horse at 10f in Europe -- obliterated everything in his Dubai dirt races.

Also had a very aggressive running style better suited to American racing.

Very American pedigree as well, sire was Seeking the Gold, who you think dirt, not turf. The 2nd dam Fall Aspen won the Matron, Astarita, and Prioress at Belmont, and she dropped a Breeders Cup Juvenile and Preakness winner in Timber Country among many other good ones.
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:34 AM
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Kelso was OK on grass in the regular occasions he tried it in the DC International..
Kelso eventually won one of those...but he has a much stronger claim to greatest dirt horse of all-time than he does to greatest multi-surface horse.
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:51 AM
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Kelso eventually won one of those...but he has a much stronger claim to greatest dirt horse of all-time than he does to greatest multi-surface horse.
Right.. Hence the description 'OK' in his tries on grass that came in the International. Those runs show how little grass racing there was yet. Kelso was beaten in 2 of the Internationals by T.V. Lark and Mongo who were 'Turf Champion' in the respective years, but were both predominantly dirt horses themselves. And darn good ones.
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Balto Star came to mind mostly because he popped at a big price in the UN Handicap.
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Big Brown was awesome on both.
The best horse he ever beat was that Frankel horse in the Monmouth turf race, I dont believe he was awesome on either surface. I feel like he was fortunate to never face much on either surface.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:16 PM
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Another C. Whittingham star who ran well on dirt or grass was Greinton.....
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Bump.

Gentlemen. I think he's probably the best turf and dirt horse of the last twenty years or so. Candy Ride too might have been there.

When Gentlemen decided to run, he was truly freakish.
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Overskate.........track record holder for decades and if not for a lost shoe at over 50-1 my freshman year at Fordham would have improved my chances of getting laid by decades
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