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Old 10-17-2013, 05:57 PM
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Okafor isn't eligible for this years draft.

Bulls can easily win 60 but Noah, Deng, Rose health is suspect and they may shut them down a bit at end of the year to rest for playoffs
Forget he was still in high school

Rose health is not suspect, he is fine, media just trying to stir stuff up.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:32 PM
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Forget he was still in high school

Rose health is not suspect, he is fine, media just trying to stir stuff up.
So overrated.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:01 AM
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So overrated.
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:03 PM
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So overrated.
Overrated in what capacity?
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:25 PM
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Overrated in what capacity?
I know I'm the running joke around here, but one thing I know is my NBA I will respond to everyone when I return to work tonight
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:35 PM
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I know I'm the running joke around here, but one thing I know is my NBA I will respond to everyone when I return to work tonight
Just curious to know why you believe Rose is overrated?
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:21 PM
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Just curious to know why you believe Rose is overrated?
Where does one start Chuck?? Biggest fraud MVP ever in any sport. He does not deserve an MVP because people were tired of giving it to Lebron. Its simply not fair, not right and whatever else you want to call it.
Rose is a big hype machine IMO. Stories about how NBA players used to drive hours to get street ball games with him when he was only a high school player, he is a hype machine. He is the second coming off nothing. Hes overrated because I can name 10 players that are better then him right now, but he is an MVP and discussed as one of the best in the NBA.
Im not even talking about the fact that he did not play at all last year, when he was cleared to play. Its a joke other people would be crucified, this dude somehow got off.
Lets talk stats now, he plays no D. He averages .9 steals a game for his career. He does not rebound well for a 6'4 dude. His shooting % has also gone down 3 years in a row that he has actually played basketball. Now this is just based on the eye test, but personally I would take Curry, Harden, Lebron, Paul, Durant, Rondo, Westbrook and Irving over Rose. Those guys are for sure. Then you got guys like Melo, and Howard who even though I dislike, I would still prefer them over Rose. Im a Rose hater, Ill admit it. I dislike the guy.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:02 PM
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Where does one start Chuck?? Biggest fraud MVP ever in any sport. He does not deserve an MVP because people were tired of giving it to Lebron. Its simply not fair, not right and whatever else you want to call it.
Rose is a big hype machine IMO. Stories about how NBA players used to drive hours to get street ball games with him when he was only a high school player, he is a hype machine. He is the second coming off nothing. Hes overrated because I can name 10 players that are better then him right now, but he is an MVP and discussed as one of the best in the NBA.
Im not even talking about the fact that he did not play at all last year, when he was cleared to play. Its a joke other people would be crucified, this dude somehow got off.
Lets talk stats now, he plays no D. He averages .9 steals a game for his career. He does not rebound well for a 6'4 dude. His shooting % has also gone down 3 years in a row that he has actually played basketball. Now this is just based on the eye test, but personally I would take Curry, Harden, Lebron, Paul, Durant, Rondo, Westbrook and Irving over Rose. Those guys are for sure. Then you got guys like Melo, and Howard who even though I dislike, I would still prefer them over Rose. Im a Rose hater, Ill admit it. I dislike the guy.
Point 1-Ok fine, give it to LeBron that year but Rose certainly could have been considered the 2nd best player that year. That isnt being overrated.

Point 2-Name me an NBA star who isn't a hype machine?

Point 3- Can you name 10 better players at his position than him? He can't be ranked worse than the 3rd best PG in the world can he? It is hard to compare players at different positions but if you were choosing up teams with every player in the world available he'd certainly be in the top 10 selected.

Point 4- His playing or not playing last year has nothing to do with where he would be rated. Assuming he is 100% (and Scavs says he is so it must be so) he is an All NBA player

Point 5- Steals are a horrible way to assess a players defensive ability. I distinctly remember heaing about his coach instructing him to save himself on defense and not take chances because he was so much of the focal point of the teams offense a few years back. He plays for the preeminent defensive coach in the league, his defense will be fine.

Point 5- He is a PG on a team full of rebounding bigs. His career rebounding avg per game is the same as everybodys all american James Harden. He averages a rebound a game more than Tony Parker.

Point 6- His FG% went down for 3 years because A) he took more shots and
B) his number of 3 point shots went way up and naturally the % for 3pt FG's is lower than 2pt FG's though this is tempered by the fact you get 3 points for a basket rather than 2.
His rookie year he took 1200 shots in 3000 minutes
his last full season he took 1600 in 3000 minutes
That is a 25% increase in shots attempted and he took 300 more 3 pt shots than he did his 1st season. His true shooting percentage (combination of 2pt, 3pt and FT's) has actually gone up. His FG% on 2 pt shots is higher than Curry's.

Point 7- You named 8 guys that you'd take over him. That puts him in the top 10 in the world. How is that overrated?
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:16 PM
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Biggest fraud MVP ever in any sport. .
I believe Zoilo Versalles in 1965 for AL MVP was the worst MVP in any sport ever.
Though Mickey Cochrane in 1934 over Lou Gehrig was probably a terrible injustice but Cochrane was a hall of famer
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:02 PM
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Forget he was still in high school

Rose health is not suspect, he is fine, media just trying to stir stuff up.
I'd imagine that they wouldnt be playing him 40+ minutes right from the start which can impact the final win total. I saw him embarrass Siva the other day and he looked pretty healthy.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:37 PM
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Who do you think comes out of the West? I'm thinking Doc Rivers has a big impact on the Clippers. That conference really is wide open though...you can make a case for like five or six teams.
Wide open. I prefer Golden State and Houston. But a lot of things have to happen. Golden St needs to stay healthy and Barnes needs to continue to progress. For Houston, Dwight Howard needs to be healthy and and play like he did a few years in Orlando. Im worried about Westbrooks injury, we shall see. I hope he comes back strong, because he is great. Spurs I think will regress, but be right there. Clippers will be really good. Minnesota, I believe will be improved, again kinda depends on health though.
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