govt shutdown looms

[GenuineRisk]

And in the throes of the shutdown, this article reminds me that the ACA, despite the attempt to provide health insurance for all, will still fail America in that, unfortunately, there is no cure for stupid.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health...are-8C11338371

Head-slapping section:

“I don’t think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance,” says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho, who would rather pay the fine for now -- $95 the first year -- than signup.
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“I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage,” Collett said. “At some point where it would make financial sense to pay for insurance rather than pay fines, I will make the decision from a financial standpoint.”
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Collett counts himself among the 29 percent of people who said in an NBCNews/Kaiser poll they are angry about the health reform law. “The issue for me is that it is not the proper role of government,” he said.
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Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered.
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But it’s “absolutely not okay,” that they are, Collett says quickly. “There are a lot of people out there that’ll cry foul."
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Collett, whose children are home-schooled, likens taking Medicaid to sending children to public school. He also does not approve of government-funded public schools. “The government is taking your money. They are spending it on things they shouldn’t be,” he says. “Trying to get whatever you can back -- I have nothing against that. You have to at some point try and get your tax dollars back.”

Ten kids whose health care is being paid for by the government. Listen, dude, whatever it is you think you're paying in taxes, believe me, you're costing the taxpayers a lot more than what you're paying in.

And he's running for the state legislature! Because nothing says "I hate government" more than "I want a government job."

[Danzig]

the kock bros are telling younger people that they'd be better off 'paying the fine'. yes, because it makes perfect sense to gamble that because one is young, they won't need insurance. nothing bad EVER happens to young people.

my husband works at a place owned by them; they showed all the employees a video the other day about being taxed on good health policies-cadillac plans.

so, now the employees (including my husband) are up in arms...well, hubby isn't up in arms now, when i explained that the health care plan they offer him and his co-workers is NOT a cadillac plan by any stretch of the imagination.
but who's going to explain that to all his hourly co-workers?


back to the article just above....

how does this collett person say that the govt has no role, while stating that the 10 kids are on medicaid? if that isn't cognitive dissonance, i don't know what is!!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the kock bros are telling younger people that they'd be better off 'paying the fine'. yes, because it makes perfect sense to gamble that because one is young, they won't need insurance. nothing bad EVER happens to young people.

my husband works at a place owned by them; they showed all the employees a video the other day about being taxed on good health policies-cadillac plans.

so, now the employees (including my husband) are up in arms...well, hubby isn't up in arms now, when i explained that the health care plan they offer him and his co-workers is NOT a cadillac plan by any stretch of the imagination.
but who's going to explain that to all his hourly co-workers?


back to the article just above....

how does this collett person say that the govt has no role, while stating that the 10 kids are on medicaid? if that isn't cognitive dissonance, i don't know what is!!

Didnt we have a few on these boards against Obama and those on the government dole while also receiving SSI? It is mind boggling that someone cannot make the connection like the guy in the story.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by jms62

Didnt we have a few on these boards against Obama and those on the government dole while also receiving SSI? It is mind boggling that someone cannot make the connection like the guy in the story.

Oh, Timm... whatever happened to him? I miss him. He was so very earnest in his postings of links to RedState.

I think the not-so-young gentleman in the article (what is he thinking? He's 41. Dude, your prostate is soon going to be doing things you're not going to be liking, if it isn't already) has persuaded himself that he pays more in taxes than he's getting back. A lot of people who get the EITC don't make the connection between the money that is taken out of their paychecks and the several thousand dollar check they get from the IRS in the spring. It doesn't occur to them that they are getting back everything they paid in taxes.

And they don't get inflation. People on Medicare now are getting far, far more out of it than they ever put in.

And I don't have an issue with this; I don't want him or his kids to starve, and I want old people to have some security in their declining years, but dude, at least show some appreciation for the fact that you live in a nation that has some kind of safety net and accept that you are depending on it. Those ain't your own bootstraps you're pulling yourself up by, because, without government aid, you ain't got no boots.

I am interested to hear Dell's thoughts on the man's family planning choices, seeing as how Dell has, in the past, expressed some strong opinions on poor urban families.

[Danzig]

and the guy will probably go in a nursing home in his dotage, and medicaid will pay for it.
but the govt shouldn't be in health care, according to him.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I am interested to hear Dell's thoughts on the man's family planning choices, seeing as how Dell has, in the past, expressed some strong opinions on poor urban families.

This guy is an example of why the government should not be involved in healthcare or childcare.

If we are to believe the story, here's a 'software designer' who makes under $9,500 dollars a year, ($95 dollars or 1% of all wages penalty) with 10 children and a wife. That comes to 182/week or $4.50 hour.

Why on earth would it be in the best interest of the country to force this man (he doesn't realize it but his insurance would be virtually free) into a policy that would offer any preventative care or for that matter even diagnostic testing, paid for by the hardworking, responsible taxpayer. The sooner he dies the better off the country.

Had this guy been financially responsible for the first child, or even the first few children on his own rather than receiving government support (actually tax-payer support) would he have ceased and desisted from having any more poorly bred offspring after the first few crops?

By rewarding poor judgment/decisions we tax good judgment/decisions. Kind of backwards dontcha think?

BTW something stinks about this story IMO.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The sooner he dies the better off the country.

Death panel, far right style!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Death panel, far right style!

Not quite, just allowing nature to take its course.

It's illegal here to interfere with an injured deer. What damage is an injured deer going to do compared to the damage done by this guy's sperm?

He's so financially astute he can't even figure out he could double his salary by switching careers from program designer to Wal-Mart greeter.

Meanwhile the responsible taxpayer is expected to pick up the slack in yet more taxes and inflated healthcare costs, even if it's at the expense of providing a tutor, or in Obamaspeak pizza night, for his/her own kids.

No representation without taxation would be an ideal first step.