Butch Lehr on bias controversy -- Horseplayer Daily

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

i notice how you didn't address any of the pertinent points of one of my previous posts -- how QLM was compromised by a wide trip with the best horses setting slow fractions. Breeders' Cup or not, that's how you lose races....letting the best horse in the race lope along at her own pace.

Again (aka the third time tonight)......your point?

Notice how you didn't start this thread innocently.You started it to fight about the track that day. The reason nobody complained to the track super was because they didn't want to be accused by this guy of blaming the track for losing a race.That is what he accused people of doing in the article,and why you think people want to face a load of that crap from him is beyond me.What are they gunna do? Go to his office and tell him that horses on the outside are struggling on that track? He would laugh at them ,and do what you folks have done all day,and month on here(anybody who speaks of the track condition is a sore loser etc.,etc..) As far as QLM goes, your not familiar with this filly.If you were,you would know that she got very little pace to close on in the Oak Leaf(yet made a nice move on a heavily speed favoring Anita track to get 3rd.)They went a 47 or something,and then simply sprinted for home.She closed anyways.If Churchill was in any shape at all for the outside horses,she would have come in a good 2nd-3rd-4th.Your probably right that Anna wasn't gunna be run down from behind after those splits,but I know QLM was better than shown on that piece of crap track,and she returned to win the Moccasin on just 2 weeks rest.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Notice how you didn't start this thread innocently.You started it to fight about the track that day. The reason nobody complained to the track super was because they didn't want to be accused by this guy of blaming the track for losing a race.That is what he accused people of doing in the article,and why you think people want to face a load of that crap from him is beyond me.What are they gunna do? Go to his office and tell him that horses on the outside are struggling on that track? He would laugh at them ,and do what you folks have done all day,and month on here(anybody who speaks of the track condition is a sore loser etc.,etc..) As far as QLM goes, your not familiar with this filly.If you were,you would know that she got very little pace to close on in the Oak Leaf(yet made a nice move on a heavily speed favoring Anita track to get 3rd.)They went a 47 or something,and then simply sprinted for home.She closed anyways.If Churchill was in any shape at all for the outside horses,she would have come in a good 2nd-3rd-4th.Your probably right that Anna wasn't gunna be run down from behind after those splits,but I know QLM was better than shown on that piece of crap track,and she returned to win the Moccasin on just 2 weeks rest.

you are without a doubt, and everyone here will see it, infusing your own beliefs into my intentions. You're saying that I didn't start this thread innocently. I absolutely did. I've had enough of the bias controversy. You and others believe it exists, myself and others believe if didn't. There is no right answer, and i'm okay with that resolution (if you're not, that's your problem, not mine). I presented this thread (please reread the original post) as an interesting point of view that many on this board may not have otherwise come across. Again, you're infusing an agenda on my posts that simply isn't there. It was so that posters on this board could see what Lehr had to say for himself which I thought was interesting (and which in the original post I said was "interesting" -- notice how "interesting" here and "interesting" there are the same word PLEASE!" I am a strict believer in the fact that words speak for themselves....)

So basically I haven't said that those who thought a rail bias exists are dumb -- I've just said that I don't believe it. I can't imagine a more fair way to look at it. I'm being diplomatic, and YOU are making it confrontational. That's your issue and not mine. You love QLM. Fine, I don't. But don't pretend that with easy splits, that QLM somehow deserved to run well enough for a check. If she ran well enough for a check, she would have....(SHOCKER) gotten a check!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Spencer, I am not wasting anymore time on you.I have given you a list of people that can see what you can't.More important than the inside bias,was the struggle many consistent horses had on the middle,and outside of that track.Most never had a chance,and you will start to get that(maybe,but I doubt it) when most of them run just fine when they run their next race.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Spencer, I am not wasting anymore time on you.I have given you a list of people that can see what you can't.More important that the inside bias,was the struggle many consistent horses had on the middle,and outside of that track.Most never had a chance,and you will start to get that(maybe,but I doubt it) when most of them run just fine when they run their next race.

that's cool. that's an agreement if i ever heard one. you've given me people, and zero examples.

I''ve given you examples, and a couple people who agree with me -- and yet you have still not answered ANY question I've posed. I can deal with that. We'll call it even out of the goodness of my heart.

that's a deal. 10-4. You love QLM and will make an excuse for her no matter what. That's cool. I respect loving a horse unconditionally, even if irrationally.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Oh, each and everyone of us is simply stunned that Lehr's point of view is that the track was just fine.That was incredibly surprising(I am sure.)His point is that nobody complained.If they would have complained,he would have called them poor losers.We are simply stunned by the cards he is playing. Do you really expect anybody to believe your load about starting this thread?No,you don't have an agenda, but you just happened to start a thread about a guy that does.You just thought it would be interesting huh? Yep.Sure.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Do you really expect anybody to believe your load about starting this thread?

Yes, because the reason I started it is exactly what I told you -- because nobody has heard from him, and now we have. It's like if I had posted a link to election results a few weeks ago. It doesn't mean I want to debate it again, it means: here is information you may want to see.

Interesting information. I've said it once, I'm saying it again. If you don't believe me, that's your issue. There was no confrontation in this thread on my part until you brought it into the thread, my friend. I think that everyone (capable of reading) can see that, so there is not really even a question of whether they believe me or not...they can read it for themselves and see that you turned it into this.