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Old 11-21-2006, 04:46 PM
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No sane person said they were cheating in this instance, but they are convicted cheaters, and serious ones at that, and thus deserve the optimum fine.

$2500? Really? How much did the late scratch of one of the favorites cost Churchill in revenue? I would guess substantially more than $2500. Of course, why should the barn have to participate in the costs they incurred. Nobody is ever to blame for screwups, honest or dishonest, but whatever the case the horseplayers get screwed one way or another.

This barn has been convicted of a severe violation, and the trainer was eager to admit it, rather than face the possible consequences of a far more severe violation. Sorry if I don't care whether it was an honest or dishonest mistake. As far as I am concerned they are the enemies of anybody that bets horses and the sooner the game is rid of their ilk the better off we will all be....whether we are bettors, owners or fans.
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Old 11-21-2006, 04:54 PM
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No sane person said they were cheating in this instance, but they are convicted cheaters, and serious ones at that, and thus deserve the optimum fine.

$2500? Really? How much did the late scratch of one of the favorites cost Churchill in revenue? I would guess substantially more than $2500. Of course, why should the barn have to participate in the costs they incurred. Nobody is ever to blame for screwups, honest or dishonest, but whatever the case the horseplayers get screwed one way or another.

This barn has been convicted of a severe violation, and the trainer was eager to admit it, rather than face the possible consequences of a far more severe violation. Sorry if I don't care whether it was an honest or dishonest mistake. As far as I am concerned they are the enemies of anybody that bets horses and the sooner the game is rid of their ilk the better off we will all be....whether we are bettors, owners or fans.

I understand what you are trying tyo say, I truly do.
But what you are proposing would be the same as asking a jock who blows a race with a horrible ride to compensate the fans.
Or say a trainer who does a lousy job preparing a big fave for a race to compensate the bettors for what they blew.
They are called mistakes. Like splitting a variant on two sprint races 30 minutes apart at Calder where Shake You Down ran the same time as Valid Video did at the same distance on the same track and giving Shake You Down a subtsantially higher figure. LOL!!!! We all know how that one turned out don't we? Valid Video won the Kings Bishop at an overlaid price, and Shake You Down blew his next stake at an underlaid price. Where should bettors send their claims to the money they blew on the atrocious figs?
Nobody makes mistakes on purpose, thats why they are called mistakes.

Noone was hurt here, the horse was scratched and the money refunded with plenty of time for those who liked Blasi's horse to bet a different one if they chose to.
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Old 11-21-2006, 04:56 PM
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I couldn't disagree more with everything you said.

Sorry, I am not a defender of cheaters and I know the difference between poor judgement and flaunting the rules.
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Old 11-21-2006, 04:59 PM
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Noone was hurt here, the horse was scratched and the money refunded with plenty of time for those who liked Blasi's horse to bet a different one if they chose to.
Really, let's say you were alive with this horse in a Pick-3 or Pick-4 and ended up with the post time favorite, who coincidentally you hated.

My guess is, especially in light of some of your diatribes, you would have felt differently.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:06 PM
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Really, let's say you were alive with this horse in a Pick-3 or Pick-4 and ended up with the post time favorite, who coincidentally you hated.

My guess is, especially in light of some of your diatribes, you would have felt differently.
Gee,
It happens when horses flip in the gate as well.
Late scratches are most often for the protection on the bettor.
This past summer I really got screwed on a Sunday afternoon because I singled Khaliah in a pik-4 I played early in the day and she ended up running as purse money only and Chili Cat became the designated runner and ran 3rd to Khalilah who won by a football field.
I understood why they did what they did and although angry about it, trulky felt like they did what was right for the bettors with the shoe situation on Khalilah.
I know this past summer at the Spa that awful late scratch which really screwed me(once again a Kiarin horse) when I got stuck with Yankee Master and watched carnera jog.
I guess what I am saying is that those pik-3, pik-4, pik-6 incidents happen all the time, and very rarely from the wrong horse being brought over.
When a rash occurrence of these incidents occur, I'd take them more seriously.

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Old 11-21-2006, 05:42 PM
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I'm not sure how one could compare a horse flipping in the gate to a trainer bringing over the wrong horse.

As for the Khalila reference, she was announced as running for purse money only before wagering began on multi-race bets involving her.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:44 PM
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I'm not sure how one could compare a horse flipping in the gate to a trainer bringing over the wrong horse.

As for the Khalila reference, she was announced as running for purse money only before wagering began on multi-race bets involving her.
No way, you can make bets in phone accounts as early as 11 Pm. I played a pik with her, and went out to brunch. I know for a FACT that I did this.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:51 PM
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Perhaps I played a pik-3 and just got a refund or needed a conso?
I know the race was in May on a Sunday. It was dark and rainy up here.
I know the first race that day was won by a Clement NY bred grass horse, Oililly. What was the date of the race?
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