Butch Lehr on bias controversy -- Horseplayer Daily

Originally Posted by The Bid

Oracle, did you get to read about Butch trying to scalp his BC tickets. He got in stuck in a real bad spot trying to make a few bucks

Didn't read it but heard something about it. Did that really happen?

[The Bid]

Oh it happend. Butch was trying to make a few thousand and got snatched up in a big scalping conspiracy, pretty hilarious really. I was shocked he didnt get tightened up by CHD higher ups.

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'll forget that I saw Thor's Echo's name as evidence of a rail bias.

Ragozin players should visit the bulletin board for two interesting reads on the Breeders' Cup rail and biases in general. One of the two posters is Len Friedman ("Robespierrre").

Yeah Thors Echo was real evident of a rail bias. The horse had one of the top beyers and races 3 wide the entire time and there was a rail bias--simply laughable.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yeah Thors Echo was real evident of a rail bias. The horse had one of the top beyers and races 3 wide the entire time and there was a rail bias--simply laughable.

This is coming from the same guy that started a thread at one time:

Fix 2yo racing, because, he claime there were no such things as allowance races for 2yo's...

You're still a clown Cherub...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

This is coming from the same guy that started a thread at one time:

Fix 2yo racing, because, he claime there were no such things as allowance races for 2yo's...

You're still a clown Cherub...

What are you talking about. Everyone knows there are allowance races for 2 year olds. What do they expect, every maiden winner run in a claiming or stakes race.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What are you talking about. Everyone knows there are allowance races for 2 year olds. What do they expect, every maiden winner run in a claiming or stakes race.

That's what we were thinking when you posted it, it was almost amazing the tenacity you defended that statement with, at least you admitted you were wrong when I told you to pull up the results of the last race at CD on the Friday after Thanksgiving in 2004...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

That's what we were thinking when you posted it, it was almost amazing the tenacity you defended that statement with, at least you admitted you were wrong when I told you to pull up the results of the last race at CD on the Friday after Thanksgiving in 2004...

I never posted that and I am not this person you think I am. Not that it matters. The Big A had a real nice two year old allowance race over the weekend. Sagamoon looked very impressive. I could see this horse making a little noise in the future.

[Antitrust32]

Not only was the rail very biased, and for you guys who dont think so I will never believe anything you post about horse racing, but the tracked sucked and took the life of Pine Island and injured Fleet Indian

Lehr should get a new job.

[brianwspencer]

Sorry, I didn't really want to rehash the whole rail bias debate -- I just thought it was interesting, because so many people have groaned about the scraping of the rail that morning -- and Lehr addresses that in this interview.

It's a good read, which was mostly what I was after -- not riling everyone up again over their opinions.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Sorry, I didn't really want to rehash the whole rail bias debate -- I just thought it was interesting, because so many people have groaned about the scraping of the rail that morning -- and Lehr addresses that in this interview.

It's a good read, which was mostly what I was after -- not riling everyone up again over their opinions.

It was a very good read. Thank you for posting.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'll forget that I saw Thor's Echo's name as evidence of a rail bias.

Ragozin players should visit the bulletin board for two interesting reads on the Breeders' Cup rail and biases in general. One of the two posters is Len Friedman ("Robespierrre").

I haven't watched the race again, because my laptop is broken and I can't pull it up at work,so I can't argue if he wide he was, but he had a huge top coming in and had bounce written all over him..

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I haven't watched the race again, because my laptop is broken and I can't pull it up at work,so I can't argue if he wide he was, but he had a huge top coming in and had bounce written all over him..

You know what---sometimes a horse doesnt bounce. Have you ever thought of that. He went about 4-5 wide around Attila's Storm and Bordornaro. He then went over into the 2-3 path and kicked clear.