Butch Lehr on bias controversy -- Horseplayer Daily

Originally Posted by eurobounce

It cracks me up when people say there was a rail bias just because the 1 horse won a few races. Street Sense took the shortest route home and was flying all the way down the backside. He passed several tired horses and he beat Quay by 10 because Quay decides to go 8 wide. Thors Echo didnt even go up the rail. He went 3 wide. Dreaming Of Anna raced 3 wide and then turned for home and then moved to the rail. However, she was the best horse in the field by far. Round Pound was trapped in behind horses. The jock wanted to move her off the rail but couldnt. She was full of horse and they the rail opened and she went on by them. Invasor, Bernardini, Asi, Quay all closed going wide.

Well just about the only guy you crack up with your "I'm so innocent yet trying to start controversy" posts is you.
A few horses won from the 1 hole?
Yeah, like 4 outta the 5 races run on dirt?
You know about as little as you did when posted under Kycherub.

[The Bid]

Oracle, did you get to read about Butch trying to scalp his BC tickets. He got in stuck in a real bad spot trying to make a few bucks

Originally Posted by The Bid

Oracle, did you get to read about Butch trying to scalp his BC tickets. He got in stuck in a real bad spot trying to make a few bucks

Didn't read it but heard something about it. Did that really happen?

[The Bid]

Oh it happend. Butch was trying to make a few thousand and got snatched up in a big scalping conspiracy, pretty hilarious really. I was shocked he didnt get tightened up by CHD higher ups.

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'll forget that I saw Thor's Echo's name as evidence of a rail bias.

Ragozin players should visit the bulletin board for two interesting reads on the Breeders' Cup rail and biases in general. One of the two posters is Len Friedman ("Robespierrre").

Yeah Thors Echo was real evident of a rail bias. The horse had one of the top beyers and races 3 wide the entire time and there was a rail bias--simply laughable.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yeah Thors Echo was real evident of a rail bias. The horse had one of the top beyers and races 3 wide the entire time and there was a rail bias--simply laughable.

This is coming from the same guy that started a thread at one time:

Fix 2yo racing, because, he claime there were no such things as allowance races for 2yo's...

You're still a clown Cherub...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

This is coming from the same guy that started a thread at one time:

Fix 2yo racing, because, he claime there were no such things as allowance races for 2yo's...

You're still a clown Cherub...

What are you talking about. Everyone knows there are allowance races for 2 year olds. What do they expect, every maiden winner run in a claiming or stakes race.

[brianwspencer]

Sorry, I didn't really want to rehash the whole rail bias debate -- I just thought it was interesting, because so many people have groaned about the scraping of the rail that morning -- and Lehr addresses that in this interview.

It's a good read, which was mostly what I was after -- not riling everyone up again over their opinions.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Sorry, I didn't really want to rehash the whole rail bias debate -- I just thought it was interesting, because so many people have groaned about the scraping of the rail that morning -- and Lehr addresses that in this interview.

It's a good read, which was mostly what I was after -- not riling everyone up again over their opinions.

It was a very good read. Thank you for posting.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'll forget that I saw Thor's Echo's name as evidence of a rail bias.

Ragozin players should visit the bulletin board for two interesting reads on the Breeders' Cup rail and biases in general. One of the two posters is Len Friedman ("Robespierrre").

I haven't watched the race again, because my laptop is broken and I can't pull it up at work,so I can't argue if he wide he was, but he had a huge top coming in and had bounce written all over him..

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I haven't watched the race again, because my laptop is broken and I can't pull it up at work,so I can't argue if he wide he was, but he had a huge top coming in and had bounce written all over him..

You know what---sometimes a horse doesnt bounce. Have you ever thought of that. He went about 4-5 wide around Attila's Storm and Bordornaro. He then went over into the 2-3 path and kicked clear.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well just about the only guy you crack up with your "I'm so innocent yet trying to start controversy" posts is you.
A few horses won from the 1 hole?
Yeah, like 4 outta the 5 races run on dirt?
You know about as little as you did when posted under Kycherub.

So what if the number 1 horse won. It would be one thing if all won wire to wire glued to the rail, but that didnt happen. We had a wire to wire, a presser, a stalker and a deep closer.