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[SCUDSBROTHER]

The same old Churchill Shills.......They are 2 year old fillies trying to keep up with a horse going 44'3.That is gunna make for a slow 7f time.It is simply an awkward distance for them. Sure some other 2 year old filly ran a 124'3 in an earlier race,but it was a more relaxed 45'4,and 1:11'2 that enabled her to get it.She will do more damage to shut the shill's trap.She will get top 3 checks in grade 1 races,and you will still call her slow.The winner of the Kentucky Oaks can be called slow(I guess,) but she somehow was the winner.Giacomo won 2.55 million being "slow." Times don't tell you how the battle was fought.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The same old Churchill Shills.......They are 2 year old fillies trying to keep up with a horse going 44'3.That is gunna make for a slow 7f time.It is simply an awkward distance for them. Sure some other 2 year old filly ran a 124'3 in an earlier race,but it was a more relaxed 45'4,and 1:11'2 that enabled her to get it.She will do more damage to shut the shill's trap.She will get top 3 checks in grade 1 races,and you will still call her slow.The winner of the Kentucky Oaks can be called slow(I guess,) but she somehow was the winner.Giacomo won 2.55 million being "slow." Times don't tell you how the battle was fought.

In this particular case, the times tell everything, and Quick Little Miss was the beneficiary of a fast pace that collapsed AND a slow final time. Had she set the pace at least one could say she still hung on after settng a grueling pace. The fact that she merely sucked up into a collapsing one, especially considering the final time, is hardly encouraging.

The very cheap horses that ran the similar final time earlier ran a slower pace because they are bad horses. The best explanation ultimately for the slow final time of the stake would be that, relatively speaking, these are poor horses.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In this particular case, the times tell everything, and Quick Little Miss was the beneficiary of a fast pace that collapsed AND a slow final time. Had she set the pace at least one could say she still hung on after settng a grueling pace. The fact that she merely sucked up into a collapsing one, especially considering the final time, is hardly encouraging.

The very cheap horses that ran the similar final time earlier ran a slower pace because they are bad horses. The best explanation ultimately for the slow final time of the stake would be that, relatively speaking, these are poor horses.

Following that logic,then the horses who ran in the Kentucky Oaks last year are poor horses.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Following that logic,then the horses who ran in the Kentucky Oaks last year are poor horses.

They're not? Who came out of that race and did anything other than Wait a While?

I agree about Quick Little Miss that she'll get some checks, and that the track on BC day was nonsense, but you have to be honest, that time was pretty slow.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They're not? Who came out of that race and did anything other than Wait a While?

I agree about Quick Little Miss that she'll get some checks, and that the track on BC day was nonsense, but you have to be honest, that time was pretty slow.

It doesn't bother me(the time.)She is working bullets over at Anita.She is one of the few to win over here without a work over the surface.She does it on just 2 weeks rest. Point Ashley took 13 '4 to cover the last 8th of a mile in the Del Mar Debutante. This filly is a hunter,and they are target based individuals. They find the wire at the right time,and get paid.She has won 2 stakes,and came 3rd in a Grade 1 that was almost impossible to close in.She has made 164k,and when Mel Stute watches her work faster than any other horse that morning,I don't think he thinks about how slow this filly is.He is thinking that this is most likely his last good horse.Look at all those stakes races coming up for 3 year old fillys.If this slow filly stays healthy,she will make 500k-1 mil in the next 9 months.Best I can remember,the filly who ran 2nd in the B.C. juve this year ran about a 1:19 at TOGA.I thought that was too slow,but that funny lookin' gray filly is doing pretty good.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They're not? Who came out of that race and did anything other than Wait a While?

I agree about Quick Little Miss that she'll get some checks, and that the track on BC day was nonsense, but you have to be honest, that time was pretty slow.

The horse Mike picked out won a nice race at Belmont.I think you guys have picked the wrong division to worry about times with.In general,young fillies are pretty slow,and especially slow in elongated sprints.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They're not? Who came out of that race and did anything other than Wait a While?

I agree about Quick Little Miss that she'll get some checks, and that the track on BC day was nonsense, but you have to be honest, that time was pretty slow.

Ateam you gotta be kidding me right?
Did you watch the races this year in that division?
Bushfire came out of the Oaks and won the grade one Acorn and the grade one Mother Goose.
Wonder lady Anne L won the grade one Coaching Club American Oaks defeating Pine Island.
Wiat A while smashed them in an off the turf race and won two grade one's on the Turf.
I'd say any field that produced the winners of 5 subsequent Grade One races in their division is a good field.
I know the Derby sure didn't produce the winners of 5 subsequent grade ones.
As a matter of fact Ateam, I can think of only one race that produced as many subsequent grade one winners this year, the Early Times Turf Classic at CD the say before the Oaks.
Gorella came back and won the big race on Million Day, English Channel came back and won two more grade ones, as did Cacique.
But hey, what do I know?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ateam you gotta be kidding me right?
Did you watch the races this year in that division?
Bushfire came out of the Oaks and won the grade one Acorn and the grade one Mother Goose.
Wonder lady Anne L won the grade one Coaching Club American Oaks defeating Pine Island.
Wiat A while smashed them in an off the turf race and won two grade one's on the Turf.
I'd say any field that produced the winners of 5 subsequent Grade One races in their division is a good field.

What a While won on the turf....so her appearance in the KY Oaks is meaningless as far as the overall ability of the race.

Bushfire is a very gutsy horse who is downright slow and has never run a fast number.

Wonder Lady L ran one decent race, in the slop, in winning the CCA Oaks and the rest of her year was so-so ( and certainly had few, if any, " fast " races ).

It is hardly surprising that the KY Oaks contained a number of winners of the big 3YO stakes this year. It is THE race the 3YO fillies point for.

Skewing " results " to fit an argument is easy. I find it hard to believe any knowledgable horseplayer believes this year's KY Oaks field was a strong race.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What a While won on the turf....so her appearance in the KY Oaks is meaningless as far as the overall ability of the race.

Bushfire is a very gutsy horse who is downright slow and has never run a fast number.

Wonder Lady L ran one decent race, in the slop, in winning the CCA Oaks and the rest of her year was so-so ( and certainly had few, if any, " fast " races ).

It is hardly surprising that the KY Oaks contained a number of winners of the big 3YO stakes this year. It is THE race the 3YO fillies point for.

Skewing " results " to fit an argument is easy. I find it hard to believe any knowledgable horseplayer believes this year's KY Oaks field was a strong race.

Well I mean as far as the division goes, which is all you have to compare it to, it was the strongest race in the division.
Balance got hurt as well in there but she was a fine filly beforehand.
Numbers 2-6 in Watchmakers rankings all ran in the Oaks.
I'm not making an historical comparison to this crop to crops of yesteryear, I'm saying it was the strongest race run this year talent wise in the division. Find me one stronger.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

the oaks was bad ..the whole field went on to do well in a bad year..imo..

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They're not? Who came out of that race and did anything other than Wait a While?

I agree about Quick Little Miss that she'll get some checks, and that the track on BC day was nonsense, but you have to be honest, that time was pretty slow.

Joey,she is o.k. (timewise.) If she was slow,then she would have finished a dull 7th in the Grade 1 today.She ran about a 142'4 today.She isn't a superstar,but she is a hunter.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Following that logic,then the horses who ran in the Kentucky Oaks last year are poor horses.

Not many of them are very good. Bushfire is OK, but she was also the only one who ran a strong race in the KY Oaks. Lemons Forever? She aint much. I think that's been well established.

Ya know, the name of the race doesn't make the horses in it good.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Following that logic,then the horses who ran in the Kentucky Oaks last year are poor horses.

I have a special place in my heart for Lemons Forever thanks to that victory but I'm also a realist- she's NOT very good and that says even less for those that ran behind her in the Oaks. The good news for her: she was the best finisher in the Distaff of the 3YO's as a nonthreatening 5th.

[Danzig]

on any given day....
lemons forever was on, while the others were off that day. doesn't make her particularly good, or them particularly bad.