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11-18-2006, 01:47 PM
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11-18-2006, 01:51 PM
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well, seeing as how all the horsemen are up in arms about a surface billed to be raceable, and proving it isn't...i'd classify that as a big problem, especially since right now, during the season, they can't exactly tweak it. so they add toe grabs, which many believe is a large problem in itself.
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11-18-2006, 01:52 PM
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11-18-2006, 01:53 PM
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11-18-2006, 02:02 PM
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no, it wasn't just kickback. the wax isn't holding everything together like it was supposed to.
and why would they allow toe grabs if it was just kickback??
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11-18-2006, 02:11 PM
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http://jen-thoroughbreds.blogspot.co...searching.html
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11-18-2006, 02:15 PM
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Here it is. I will cut out a useless paragraph or two for copyright reasons. http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=1 ETOBICOKE, Ontario - Woodbine's racing department held an open forum here late Friday morning and approximately 150 horsepeople took the time to show up at the sales pavilion. While the agenda was open, the only subject discussed was the state of Polytrack, which has become a source of concern for both management and horsemen. "We know we have a serious problem," Jamie Martin, Woodbine's senior vice president of racing, told the congregation. "We're addressing it as best we can, with maintenance procedures." The problem with Polytrack has been kickback, caused by a separation of the Polytrack components during a recent stretch of colder weather. Brian Jabelman, Woodbine's director of racing surfaces, explained that the colder weather has been preventing the wax in the surface from fulfilling its function of holding the material together when the temperatures dropped. "The fiber has been coming through the top," said Jabelman. "We're trying to break it down, mix it back into the surface. Adding water has helped." Ray Sabourin, president of the Jockeys Benefit Association of Canada, was one of several riders present at Friday's meeting. "It's a high kickback," said Sabourin. "It's nothing like we haven't dealt with, with the dirt - it hurts. The track's still safe; it just doesn't seem to be as good as everybody thought it was going to be." Management and horsemen agreed that the amount of traffic on the Polytrack surface has exacerbated the problem. Woodbine will attempt to ease that situation by extending the training track season by two weeks, to Nov. 26. Another immediate result of Friday's session has been a change of shoeing policy for Polytrack racing and training. Only flat shoes have been permitted, but, effective Saturday, Nov. 11, toe grabs up to a quarter of an inch will be allowed.
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11-18-2006, 02:16 PM
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There is no safety issue at all at Woodbine. It is just tweaking that is need like most places. The stuff worked forever in Europe and works fine here. You don't like it for gambling ok, but there is no major problem with it anywhere.
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11-18-2006, 02:23 PM
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I really don't want to get into a poly debate. If it seperates due to being frozen, doesn't that result in the "kick back"? How can it be "tweaked" so that the wax is restored? Just curious. DTS
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11-18-2006, 06:03 PM
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"We know we have a serious problem," Jamie Martin, Woodbine's senior vice president of racing and i need help with reading?
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11-18-2006, 02:19 PM
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11-18-2006, 03:24 PM
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I am a big fan of polytrack. I think it has been a big success everywhere except for Woodbine. I don't know how anyone can claim that there aren't serious problems at Woodbine. Even the senior vice-president of racing at Woodbine said, "We know we have a serious problem." If the senior vice-presdient of racing admits that they "have a serious problem", you can't argue that everything is fine there. They have had a lot of breakdowns on the polytrack at Woodbine too. The first half of the year, they had very few breakdowns at Woodbine this year. Since they installed the polytrack, the number of breakdowns has increased dramatically. Hopefully they will get the problems straightened out.
That being said, polytrack is working great everywhere else. Woodbine seems to be an isolated case. With regard to the inner-dirt at Aquedeuct, the inner-dirt track is a weatherized surface that is specifically designed to hold up in extremely cold weather. The inner-dirt track at Aquedeuct holds up fine even if it is freezing cold. Last edited by Rupert Pupkin : 11-18-2006 at 03:40 PM.
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